155 | Saint LaRose & Ryan - From Utah Hotwife to WIFEY.COM star!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome, everybody. It is Doc Chocolates. And welcome Bulls and Queens Nation to another Bulls and Queens podcast. Coming from you or coming at you from Salt Lake City, Utah, Mormon country. And I have a lovely couple that's here with me and the wife is gorgeous and I may do a little something something with her afterwards. Maybe we just did a little something something before we recorded this podcast, but you're going to hear more about her, her awesome hubby after this intro. [00:00:42] Speaker B: That's me. I'm the awesome hubby. [00:00:46] Speaker C: You are now listening to the Bulls and Queens podcast where we have sexy fun, exploring the lifestyle and swinging exploits of black bulls, queens of spades, cuckold fantasies, open relationships, seductive interracial encounters, and other kinky shenanigans that are sure to get you off in a very good way. So get ready, ladies, and make sure you take notes, gentlemen, because here is your host, that super sexy bald black man candy dark chocolate. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Damn, that lady who does my intro has a sexy ass voice, doesn't she? So. So anyways, I again am in Salt Lake City, Utah. It is Mormon country and a few days before Christmas. [00:02:07] Speaker B: How many days? [00:02:08] Speaker D: Four days. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Four days. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Four days. Yes. And have you been naughty or have you been nice? I hope you've been a little bit naughty because that's the only way to live life. So before I introduce my lovely couple that is here in the hotel room with me, I want y' all to go ahead and subscribe to this podcast. You can subscribe on Apple podcasts or Spotify or whatever platform you are listening to this on. Make sure you subscribe so you can see all the latest episodes that drop. And also make sure you go to doc chocolate fans.com on do chocolatefans.com you're going to be able to see all the sexy videos that I make with hot wives, lovely ladies, sexy mama milfs, sexy aunties of age, sisters, and even a couple sexy ass grandmamas. You're a boiler in I'm a broiler. Yes, I'm a broiler. Never a toiler, but always a spoiler for those people that want to hate. Don't hate. Congratulates. That's the only way to live wife. Yeah. Love, love, love, y'. All. So without further ado, let me go ahead and introduce this couple. And I have the gorgeous Saints LaRose and Ryan LaRose. Give them a hand. Fake applause sound added. All right, so Saint LaRose, Ryan, thank you for coming on the show. So can you go ahead and give us like a little introduction? Tell us what Your Twitter is your only fans or fansly website and all that stuff. [00:04:05] Speaker D: What's up, Everybody? I am Saint LaRose, and it's at Love Saint LaRose on X and fansly. That's the best way to get a hold of me and our pages that we run through. And my husband is Ryan, and we've been together for 15 years and married for almost about 13, and we've been in the lifestyle for about three years. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Wow. Okay, so make sure you guys, ladies that are listening to this. What? Wherever you're at, go to the website, follow her. The social media, Twitter, follow her. Don't, don't, don't. Don't do it. If you're driving, you know, I know some of y' all get on your phone, your mobile devices while you're driving and whatnot. That's not safe driving. God damn it. We're supposed to be good swingers and good people. Like, yeah, just. Just stop that. Y' all pull over. So anyways, like. Okay, so Saint LaRose. Ryan, we want to hear your story. [00:05:07] Speaker B: All right. [00:05:07] Speaker A: The Bulls and Queens Nation. We want to hear your story. So tell us, how did you two love birds first meet? And before I get started, I gotta say, this. This woman looks just like a Barbie doll. She's a Barbie doll. [00:05:22] Speaker D: Thank you. You're very handsome. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Oh, well, thank you. She's sitting on my lap and she's trying to just. Chocolate. She likes chocolate. She likes chocolate. She's like, I like sweets. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:36] Speaker A: So delicious. Okay, okay, okay, okay. [00:05:40] Speaker C: We. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Okay, we gotta calm down because we're gonna start fucking podcast. You know, I'm gonna fuck you after this podcast. [00:05:45] Speaker D: Yes, please. [00:05:48] Speaker A: So go ahead, tell me how y' all met. [00:05:50] Speaker B: We always like to open with that. We met on MySpace because it's funny. Oh, yeah, MySpace. That's all. [00:05:57] Speaker A: Oh, MySpace. O. Okay. Back in the day, she popped up. [00:06:02] Speaker B: As a, you know, sexy single in my area or whatever my space used to show you. No, we. We also had some, like, mutual friends, you know, friends in common. Her girlfriend was friends with my younger brother, so they had that connection. And, yeah, she popped up on my page and I thought, oh, my God. I said the same reaction as you. [00:06:22] Speaker A: I said, yes, guys. So hot. [00:06:26] Speaker B: So, yeah, we ended up talking. We're from the same hometown, ultimately, but I'm eight years older. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Okay. You and I are actually the same age. [00:06:34] Speaker B: We are, yes. We were Both born in 1980. Yes. [00:06:37] Speaker A: But I got two months on you. I got 60 days on you. [00:06:40] Speaker B: A little bit older. You crusty old man. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Back in the good old days. [00:06:48] Speaker B: You'D be grandpa and I'd be the rookie in the buddy cop movie that we did. [00:06:52] Speaker D: Fine wine. [00:06:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:06:54] Speaker B: But we grew up in the Sacramento area. We got married there. We moved to Utah when our kids were very young. We were kind of looking for a chill place to raise our kids and a nice, you know, tame family environment. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Okay. Tame. [00:07:09] Speaker B: That's what they got out here, you know. Oh, it's very like, you know, it's a. It's a pretty safe place to raise kids. It's pretty chill. And there's a lot of, like, cheap family fun. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Kind of. That we had, that we grew up with, so we wanted that for our kids, too. So we moved out here and we pretty much just did our thing. We lived our lives, we owned a business, we raised our family, we took care of all of our things. Our kids are getting a little bit older now. They're to the point where, you know, we can kind of step out and start having our grown up fun again. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:41] Speaker D: And start dating again. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:46] Speaker B: And then we. I mean, if you want, I can. I can take a separate. Separate road to tell you the whole history of, like, how we got into lifestyle and hot wifing. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So we definitely want to hear about that. So, I mean, obviously you guys are a couple. You have kids and whatnot. And a lot of people that are listening to this, they have kids. Right. You know, because most of the people are 30s, 40s, 50s, maybe a little bit older. And did you find it hard to navigate having kids and being in the lifestyle? [00:08:22] Speaker D: I think I always just gave myself permission to always keep my own identity, even though I was a mom this whole time. So I think it was just a natural step, as our kids age, to then just give myself permission to. [00:08:40] Speaker C: Do. [00:08:41] Speaker D: Things that I was already doing without my kids around. And I wish my husband was there to experience those things that I was already doing that I gave myself permission to because I was working and he was already comfortable and okay with everything that I was already doing. But now, as our kids are aging, I'm allowing my comfortability of him experiencing the things that I have already been experiencing. But now on the next step of permission of unlimiting myself and having him now be a part of those things with me instead of me kind of filling him in on the. On the information that he wishes he could have been a part of but couldn't because we had other obligations at home we had to take responsibility for. [00:09:35] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:09:35] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:09:36] Speaker A: That's Cool. So obviously you guys found a way to connect with each other and find a way to move forward, even though you had kids. And so I'm sure that a lot of listeners are going to appreciate that, so. But we want to hear the juicy stuff as well. Yeah, the juicy, juicy stuff. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Well, if I could take you all. [00:09:57] Speaker A: The way back, back into time, thousands. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Of years ago, if you kind of just want the history of how it evolved, you know, how we've evolved as a couple in the lifestyle. I think at some point, most husbands come across some kind of hot wife porn or a fantasy somewhere or something in a movie triggers something, and it just makes you think, huh, maybe that would be pretty fun to kind of take that observation role, that watcher role, that voyeuristic, you know, So I kind of had that going. I was really into the idea of watching my beloved wife, you know, just get and have a really good orgasm and really enjoy herself. Like, I love her a lot and I want good things for her, whatever that may be. I know that we have a great sex life. I know that we enjoy each other very much, and I'm so secure in that. I feel like, why not experience anything you want? You know what I mean? [00:10:59] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:00] Speaker B: But going back to kind of the origins of it, that's what kind of piqued my interest in it. I remember sort of showing her some of those videos pretty early on. I mean, I think even before we moved here, probably 10 or 12 years ago. It was probably something that I had brought up as far as showing you a video or saying, hey, what do you think about this? Does this do anything for you? [00:11:23] Speaker D: We've always had a very healthy sex life. I've always enjoyed toys. He's always known that. I think when we first started dating, I sent him a video of me masturbating with a vibrator and squirting everywhere. And that's when he was, like, squirting everywhere. [00:11:45] Speaker B: I think this might be the one for me. Right. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Ring your goggles, baby. [00:11:49] Speaker D: And that was before we were even married. So, like, I set that standard. Okay. And, like, I knew the standard that I set for myself to always. I always compete against me and nobody else. So, like, I knew when we were dating that I had to set that standard for myself to better myself, that no matter what, I was always going to show up at that level for my spouse. [00:12:14] Speaker A: Okay? [00:12:15] Speaker D: Right. So, like, this is also 15 years later, post that video that I give not only myself permission, but he gives me permission of still showing up that way. But now, instead of the toy, it's Doc Chocolate. [00:12:34] Speaker A: He's like, I don't want no toy. I want the real boy. Yes. I love that. Hey, trust me, I have no problem with that. Saint LaRose. Oh, my God. And so anyways, look, I. I told y' all she is a distraction, and Ryan told me that from the start. [00:12:52] Speaker B: You guys are going to be kissing at the end of every song. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Oh, oh, definitely. You know, in between every segment. So tell us, what was your first time like when y' all did lifestyle? [00:13:07] Speaker B: Well, we had kind of talked about it a little bit after raising it. You know, we went through all the same things that most couples go through. All the conversations that need to be had. A lot of the time when it first comes up, the wife's first reaction is, is this a trick? Is this some kind of a scam? Are you trying to get me to cross a line? And now you'll hold that against me so that you can, in a tit for tat kind of way, also feel like you're entitled to do whatever, you know what I mean? [00:13:34] Speaker A: Yep. [00:13:35] Speaker B: All of those things, everything, all the conversations were had. I think it really helped that prior to really bringing it up and really getting into that, I had listened to a lot of podcasts, just like Bulls and Queens. I mean, yeah, you know, it's an awesome resource for anybody out there. I feel like you can, if you're interested in lifestyle stuff or hot wifing, there's so many pitfalls that you can save yourself from and just easily navigate around. If you just do a little bit of research and get a little bit educated, you can anticipate certain things. You can, you know what I'm saying? You can soften the blow when that comes. You can say, I, I, you know, I knew you would take it this way. And let me assure you that it's not, you know what I'm saying, whatever it is. So there's, there's a lot of helpful information out there which I had consumed because I was interested. [00:14:24] Speaker D: And also, I feel like I'm very open minded just because of my quote unquote day job or my, my based career that I do. I travel to a lot of different locations. I'm around a lot of different environments, and I've gone out of the country and I've been around a lot of different dynamics and people of all different cultures and religions, and I feel like I don't, I don't believe in very limiting beliefs and like, close minded beliefs. So when Ryan brought it to me. It wasn't, it wasn't necessarily that I wanted to, like, shame him or like, make him feel bad about it. It was almost like I just needed that validation and, like, that reassurance that, like, it wasn't going to be the detriment of our marriage, for our future, of our children. [00:15:27] Speaker A: Pardon the interruption. If you're a cuckold gentleman, a stag, a voyeur, or maybe you're just a woman that likes to watch amateur BBC porn. If you are, I got a question to ask you. Do you want to follow Doc Chocolate's sexy ass adventures in playtime that I have with the most gorgeous hot wives, queens of spades and milfs out there? 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[00:17:14] Speaker B: It's almost. There's almost a little bit of a paradox there because in order to. And this every a lifestyle couple will tell you this. In order to safely and happily navigate the lifestyle, you have to have a level of security. [00:17:30] Speaker A: Yep. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Right. But in with that security and happiness, it that's everything that you don't want to risk or gamble by doing lifestyle stuff. So it's almost sort of a catch 22 paradox. Yeah, you have to have a really healthy marriage, but then by doing the work to gain that, you now have something that is scary to risk in that process. So I think that's for a lot of wives too, that can be a big thing because they're like, look, we're in such a good place and everything's going so smoothly and great. Why even risk It. Why even go down this road? You know what I'm saying? And that's a valid concern that, you know, you got to navigate, too. [00:18:08] Speaker A: Yes, it does. So your very first time, right? [00:18:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:13] Speaker A: So you guys have done the mental work, which, again, listeners, you had to do the mental work. You got to do the stuff beforehand before you actually get to the physical portion. Right. So the physical portion, like, what was the guy like? What happened? Like, give us the tea. [00:18:29] Speaker D: It was just kind of a local guy. So I had downloaded just Bumble, the dating app, and then I had a few conversations, and then there was one guy that I really connected with. And I'm just straight. I. I'm straight up. I'm. I'm a very straight up, honest person. I don't want anyone to feel like they're misled, especially since it was on Bumble. If you look at my profile too, it straight up says I'm married right on there. So there's no misleading, like, looking for a boyfriend. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:19:06] Speaker D: And, you know, there's questions that come from that. Like, we're in. You taught. And like, you know, people were raised a certain way, and then a lot of them are, like, deprogramming themselves from that, and then they're faced with the opportunity. And then that also, like, makes them face themselves of, like, wait, I do have the opportunity right in front of myself. Can I actually do it? Right. And so I actually met with a guy, and we met at a local bar, and Ryan was there too. And so it was very honest. And. And then we just. He invited us back to his house, and we went back to his house, and then it was cool. [00:19:47] Speaker B: The energy at the bar, too, was cool. I don't want to glaze over, just. [00:19:50] Speaker D: No, it's good. [00:19:51] Speaker B: As the husband, too. Like, it's really cool the first time you go out in public with your wife. And there's another. There's. You're all sitting there together. [00:19:59] Speaker A: Yep. [00:19:59] Speaker B: People can think what they may think, but you know what's going on, and it's exciting. [00:20:02] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [00:20:04] Speaker B: You're sitting there and you're like, yeah, this feels good. Like, it's me and my wife and we're out here on a date, and this guy's here too. Like, this is fun, you know, this is cool. And, you know, she was like, feeling his dick underneath the thing, and I was like, okay, so she's getting into it. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Trust me, I know about her feeling dicks. [00:20:21] Speaker B: It went well. Right? And then back to his place. We go. [00:20:27] Speaker D: Yeah. And then we. I ended up sucking his dick. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Really. [00:20:35] Speaker D: And then he ended up going down on me. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Really. [00:20:38] Speaker D: And Ryan got to watch the whole thing, really. And it was, like, super exciting. It was like the first time a guy has, like, touched me in what, 14 years. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I had to, like. I had to step away for a second. I just step away. Let him be alone for a minute to let him get going. Yeah. [00:20:57] Speaker D: It was pretty overwhelming. [00:20:59] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, that's. That's, you know, some ice to break if you've been with your spouse for, you know, 12 years at that point or whatever, and you haven't, like, touched someone else in front of them. So. Yeah. I mean, to get over that hump. Yeah. And again, this is not a lifestyle guy. This is like a very. [00:21:18] Speaker A: He's just a regular vanilla guy. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Vanilla guy. [00:21:21] Speaker D: But that's what made it, like, even more exciting and fun. I think, too, that it was, like, new for us and, like, new for him. And we're still friends with him, like, to this day. And he actually lives. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Yeah. He didn't, like, perform poorly or anything. You know what I'm saying? It was really cool. It was just. It was just there was that nervous layer there. Right. That had to be overcome. [00:21:41] Speaker A: So let me ask you this. So because a lot of times there's a difference between lifestyle guys and even guys that do content or porn. Right. Because we're experienced with being able to have sex with a woman in front of, you know, husband, boyfriend, or, you know, 10, 15 people in the room and lights and opening up angles and this and that. So, like, the vanilla guy that you guys met, like, do you feel like for somebody that wasn't used to, like, in front of other people, that. That was like. [00:22:12] Speaker B: No. That's what's. That's the problem with playing with vanilla guys is that's by almost definition what makes a vanilla guy that way. Right. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:20] Speaker D: Is Unless he's uncomfortable. [00:22:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker D: I mean, we played with him again, like, right after that, but. And then that. That time we went, you know, we. But Ryan actually was in the other room because he was more comfortable. He knew Ryan was there, but he's like, I just don't know if I'm comfortable with him actually watching. Even though he experienced him watching the first time, he's like. But to actually you. I would like to you without him watching. So, like, that's the difference of a vanilla guy is like, you kind of have to warm them up to it. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:57] Speaker D: Where someone that's in the lifestyle or doing this more professionally. They're. They're just knowing. It comes with the territory. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Okay, that makes sense, because. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Because for most guys, if they haven't done it before, they're like, wait, what? The husband wants to watch, Right. And for those guys who don't know, with ryan, he's about 6 foot 3. You know, he's built like a lumberjack, right? [00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm six eight. I don't want to take any. I don't want to. I'm not trying to, like, make. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Are you for real? [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm six eight. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Are you serious? Oh, he's six eight. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Six foot eight. About £300. [00:23:33] Speaker A: So I'm a large guy. He's a large guy, but, like, he's cool as, you know, he's super. Really. He's a melting. Well. Okay, so. Okay, so, okay, because they talk to. [00:23:47] Speaker D: Him because he's such a big dude that they, like, walk up to him. I think because it's comfortable to, like, acknowledge how big he is that they don't even look him. [00:23:58] Speaker A: Yeah, well, because, like, nobody's ever looking you in the eye or looking down on you. Like, they're like, this is a fucking mountain. So, like. So, like. Okay, again, you're cool as fuck, right? Look, he's giving me intimidating eyes now. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Like, no, I'm not. No, I am not. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Hey, hey. I started trembling and shit, you know, I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey. I know I can run faster than you, motherfucker, but, like, my wife's sitting on your lap. [00:24:23] Speaker B: I don't know why that intimidating you. [00:24:26] Speaker A: But, like, the funny thing is, it's like. Like, it's kind of hard, right? Because, like, I remember when I was just doing lifestyle, this was a few years ago, before the. The pandemic. I was with a lady, and she was this cute little Filipina chick, just gorgeous. If you're listening to this, you're gorgeous. [00:24:46] Speaker D: Gorgeous. [00:24:48] Speaker A: And so she tells me that her husband is gonna, you know, film or watch and, you know, sit in the chair, which I was cool with. Yeah, I was good with that. Right? And so. But the way she was describing him was. She was describing him as. Oh, yeah, he's just, like, little, you know, pong. And, you know, he's like this shrimp dick guy. [00:25:05] Speaker B: And, you know, he's such a little. [00:25:07] Speaker A: And this and that, right? And so. So, you know, I'm expecting some dude, you know, maybe, you know, some, like, dude that's 5, 9, 130 pounds, you know, just kind of like a little. [00:25:17] Speaker B: Weakling to Play for them. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, hey, I'm just saying, right? You know, of course, like, I'm gonna give any man the respect that he's due, right? You know, men deserve respect. You know, if I'm with your wife, I'm gonna give you the utmost respect. You are the king. You know, but like, I get into this small ass hotel room, and it was a small ass hotel room, and there's, dude, he's, he looks just like Goldberg. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:40] Speaker A: You know, so, yeah, yeah, he's about 6, 2, you know, 250, just like, just stacked right. And then you know, come in and then immediately I see like a big ass, three pound thing of whey protein. And I'm like, you came to Vegas on an airplane and you paid the money for a three pound bucket of protein? I was like, well, right? And then I noticed, like, yes, a gun. And I'm like, how do you get a gun on an airplane? Oh, well, I'm a, I'm a sheriff. I'm a sheriff. I was like, oh, so, so that, that only, not only you feel like, Goldberg, not only do you bring whey protein, you're a sheriff. So you got a gun on you, right? And I'm like, I, I, I don't, I, I feel slightly intimidated. Your wife, you know, just remember that. [00:26:38] Speaker B: It'S just Officer Shrimp Dick at the end of the day. Yes. [00:26:41] Speaker A: Well, I mean, yes. I, I, I, I don't care about it. [00:26:46] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:26:47] Speaker A: Like, hey, I is right. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Like, wrong. [00:26:50] Speaker A: And she makes a noise, and all of a sudden I'm getting flung halfway across the room with shits. Shit, I only weigh 180 pounds. God damn it. Well, that's admirable of you, though, that. [00:27:00] Speaker B: You were able to, you know, perform in front of the officer and everything. That's. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Well, that's hobo. [00:27:05] Speaker B: That's what I was going to say is like, that's kind of just classic, you know, that, that seemed like almost like a just cut situation. He just wanted to do his thing, you know what I'm saying? It was vanilla, guys. Everyone's a Mac when there's a beautiful woman right in front of you. What are you, an idiot? [00:27:23] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:23] Speaker B: But then, of course, comes the time when it's time to perform, and that's, that's when the dividing line is if you're vanilla dude or not, it's like, well, they all say the same thing. Everyone is ready to fuck. Everyone's ready to do whatever. And then it comes down when it starts, like, all Right. Well, we're. So let's do stuff. And I was like, well, but does. [00:27:39] Speaker A: Your husband have to be in the room? [00:27:41] Speaker B: It's like, yes, yes. This is what we said. Like, what are you talking about? Do you not know where you are? [00:27:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:47] Speaker B: We never. We never tiptoed around that part. We never said nothing, literally, in the profile. Yeah. So, like, you. That's always. The funny part is it always comes down and they always go, but does that have to. They always want to get it their way. [00:28:01] Speaker A: So I feel like guys, that. They're just hoping that once, you know, they've read the profile, hopefully, but they're just hoping that maybe you, like, switch up and you're like, sure, okay, well, maybe. Maybe the dude will stay in the other room or something like that, or watch football or something. [00:28:19] Speaker B: If. If you're a vanilla guy and you don't even understand the concepts and the themes that are going on in the lifestyle, then you may think that this woman is looking to get away from her husband. She may be wanting to escape this. This weak whack man. You know what I'm saying? Like, those. A vanilla guy doesn't have a much, maybe a conception of. Of why we do this or what this is all about for us. Okay, so there's that aspect too, right, where vanilla guy might come at it with the. The point of view that he's under the assumption that he's going to be able to basically win me, win her over, and just say, hey, look, you could just be with me instead. Which is a hilarious premise. Everyone always says it's hilarious. Like, here's the pitch. Hey, you could be with me. I'm just like your husband, except I won't let you play or do anything. [00:29:07] Speaker A: And you're like, yeah, I don't think so. [00:29:11] Speaker D: That's cool. [00:29:12] Speaker B: So that's never a, like, winning proposition, but that, you know, you can't blame vanilla guys for, like, not knowing everything about it because they're not in the last episode. [00:29:20] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, but, like, that confuses me too, right? Because, like, I will never steal any man's wife. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Wife, right? [00:29:26] Speaker A: Because, like, the dude, like, like, like, okay, you still another guy's wife. You know, this is liable to try to kill you. It's like, you're fine, but you're not worth dying for. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Right? [00:29:42] Speaker D: And I would never want to try to put someone in that position. So that's why I feel like it's really important as a woman to do the mental work that you need to do before you get into the lifestyle and have the hard conversations and what are you so scared of to talk to your person about? Right? And like that's where you really have to start is there. If you can't even speak out of your mouth truth and want to hear their honest truth, then you need to start there. Done. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [00:30:19] Speaker A: But overall I love that. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I love that. So that in a nutshell, that was sort of the first dude experience. Vanilla dude. It was okay. It was a good icebreaker. You know, I compromised a little bit in terms of to make that happen. Which husbands, that's up to you. That's a decision you got to make whether you want to. Because I like to watch, you know what I'm saying? I'm a typical stag, you know, husband and I want to see what's going on but at the same time I want to be generous and selfless about it. That's the, that's where this all comes from in the first place. Right. That's like my, it comes from a spirit of giving from me anyway, so I'm willing to if that's what if it would make her comfortable because this was her first time ever fucking another dude. Right. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Hey there cucks. Stags and ladies, do you want to meet up with me Doc Chocolate and have a sexy experience of your life for your hot wife? 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Yeah, right, since we've been married. So I felt like look in, order in, in, you know, call it take one for the team or whatever. In order to, like, further the advancement of the project, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll watch from the cameras or whatever. That's still kind of hot, you know what I'm saying? We can see how that goes and see how that feels. I thought it was. I still thought it was really hot. I would have liked to be right there in the room. But everything's a trade off, right? [00:32:55] Speaker A: Yes, it is. [00:32:56] Speaker D: Also, I want to say, even though we got together when I was young and I was 22 when we got together, I had been in my career and living on my own since I was 18 years old. So supporting myself and having a healthy dating life, healthy relationships, a lot of, you know, loving relationships. But I. When I found Ryan, I knew he was my forever. And because I knew he was my forever and didn't limit me with any other relationships, that's how it made sense. And that's why after feeling, like, comfortable with where our kids are at, then we can allow more, deeper relationships to come in where I'm not having to come from a place of so much protection like I was for the first half of our relationship because we had our children early on. So now it's like we're able to build even more, but allow other people to come in, but never lose our truth and our honesty with each other because of our foundation that we built. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Yep. Before. Or even just to make it clear, I mean, you were sexually experienced before, you know what I'm saying? I know some hot. [00:34:14] Speaker D: Very sexually experienced, in case you didn't. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Hear it the first time. Very, very. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Experienced. [00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah. She knew what she was doing. So a lot of couples, though, I feel like. Like we watched that documentary about Jerry Falwell Jr. And his wife. Right? Like, hey, well, that's a. That's also though, like, their story is a very kind of classic hot wife situation, too, because they got together when she was very young, and you get to a point and you're very loving, you've had your kids, you've done your family thing, but she's never experienced anything other than this one dude or whatever. So that's a point of, like, interest to launch into, like, hot wifing and things like that. That wasn't really the case with her. Again. She. She, you know, she knew what she was doing. She knew how to take care of business. And it really attracted me to her, too. You know, it just felt so right. Like, it didn't feel like a situation where I had to bring her up to speed on it. She was on my level. I'm 30, she's 22. [00:35:08] Speaker A: We're. [00:35:08] Speaker B: We're right on each other's level perfectly. So it really worked well. [00:35:12] Speaker A: I love that. And so I always tell people with my ex, her name was Caramel. For the podcast I initially got. That's like a roll offended. Yeah, we love roll, chocolate and caramel baby chocolate covering. And the caramels in the inside. [00:35:34] Speaker D: Yummy. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Except I was typically on the inside. [00:35:37] Speaker B: Of Caramel, the reverse roll up. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Yeah. But when she brought up the lifestyle, because she was the one who initiated that discussion about jumping into swinging lifestyle, whatever you want to call it, kids. [00:35:56] Speaker C: And. [00:35:58] Speaker A: I initially got offended. Right. But then I had to recognize that I was the first guy that she was with, you know, when she was 19, I was 20. That's when we met. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:08] Speaker A: And so, you know, here, about 13, 14 years later, you know, in my head, I'm like, okay, well, that doesn't seem fair for you to go the rest of your life and you've only had one dick, you know. Right. Hey, you might as well go ahead and flourish and have fun with other guys. Guys. Right. And, you know, as a plus, as a bonus, I get to have fun with beautiful ladies. So. Yeah, it works, right? So, Yep. [00:36:30] Speaker B: It's whatever you two are comfortable with. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's. That's every couple's kind of defining that. You have to figure that out. And everyone always wants to ask when it's a hot wife's, you know, stag vixen dynamic, everyone always wants to ask if the husband has the same, you know what I'm saying? Permission to do whatever. And it's like, in theory, yeah, but there's so many things. Most husbands will tell you that if their wife is playing visually and. And as far as the center of my attention, it's on that, right? [00:37:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:37:01] Speaker B: And I am a kind of a. I'm a caring guy. I would feel bad to not be able to give my full attention to the person I'm playing with when I really just want to focus on her. [00:37:12] Speaker A: I love that. [00:37:12] Speaker B: That's a classic answer, and it's true. And that's where that comes from. But also, it's about each individual person and what turns them on. If it doesn't turn on my wife to see me, another woman, why would I want to do it? [00:37:27] Speaker A: Yes. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Right. If it doesn't turn. If certain activities or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Certain activities don't turn me on, then that's something we have to navigate together. So you have to respect. You have to be in tune with what turns your partner on. If it turns me on to see her with someone else, then that's an option for her. And it's not about reciprocity or tit for tat or anything like that. It's not about getting, like, keeping everything even like that. It's about both parties getting what they want out of the situation and both people listening and taking care of each other. Right. [00:38:01] Speaker D: Because we hear and, you know, we've listened to some podcasts and stuff, too, where people are like, oh, no kissing. That's too intimate. And I just looked at Ryan and I said, look, if we do this, and I give myself permission because I. I want to do this, and I understand why we're doing this. I don't. To me, I feel like it's. It's almost contradictory to say I'm gonna allow you to be free, but then I'm gonna limit you, and you can't kiss and you can't do this and that, and you can't do this and that. And so you're putting all these. These rules on something that's supposed to be allowed to have freedom. So then to me, you're chaining me while you're selling me freedom. So don't tell me you're gonna allow freedom, but then chain me at the same time. So either you're gonna allow me to be free and you're gonna watch me be free and you're gonna love me be free, or I'm not gonna do this. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Damn, you're scary. [00:39:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Hey, she's powerful. Yeah. Hey, she was looking at me and Ryan, and I was like. I looked at Ryan and, hey, Ryan had the same fear in his eyes that I did. Hey, she's gonna want both of our asses, Ryan. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you know, she. We did that interview for wifey as well. I want to talk about that. [00:39:24] Speaker A: And we're going to talk about your wifey experience here. [00:39:27] Speaker B: She. She knows what she wants, and she likes to push boundaries, and it's fun for me to let her be everything that she is. You know what I'm saying? That's. That's what I'm in it for. But, yeah, okay. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Now, speaking of wifey, let's talk about that. So obviously, you jumped into doing content, so I want to ask you what started or got you guys into creating content, and then how did that venture over into you guys doing wifey.com? [00:39:58] Speaker D: So we've always been into dressing up. It's always been a part of our play. And Ryan has always expressed to me that he's always been into photography and Boudoir and Playboy and Hustler and stuff like that. And so after I had our children, I wanted to feel good and look good. I'm in the beauty industry, and it's in my face. I am a walking advertisement for my job, and I've worked on a lot of sets, and it just came natural for us to put me as a model. I expressed it to Ryan, too, that I'm always kind of behind the scenes, and I want to be the model, and I want to feel like I'm the model, and then I'm showcased and. And people worship me the way that they worship the models of that. The hair and the aesthetic that I put together and do. I want to experience that for myself. And I gave Ryan permission to use the camera and get the lighting and set that up. And then once he started doing that, then we were like, well, these are so good. Like, we have to share this. Like, we have to show. And because I am an open book, I think when we moved to Utah, it just gave me permission to get away from. From a lot of noise, to then find myself love. And he's just promoted that, too, along the way. And so I have always kind of been a YOLO person of putting stuff online. And so when we started doing the shoots and stuff, it was just natural for us to share that online. But then it's funny because then you're like, okay, you're fine. The topless, you know, part of it and like, the kind of innuendo part of it. But then you're scrolling, you're scrolling and you're doing your sets. And then I. You know, Ryan has these certain pictures just for him that I don't know if I'm okay with him sharing online. And then it was the Converse. So it's kind of, like, evolved, like, over time. It wasn't like we just came out and put everything online and just, like, showed up that way. It was like we started off kind of vanilla, honestly, online, and then just kind of of stretched to see how far we could go that way. [00:42:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:42:26] Speaker B: I mean, we started with sexy photos and stuff like that since forever, right? I mean, she said she. She'd send me little videos or I'd want her to, you know, put on that outfit and take some pictures and stuff like that. That's just. I mean, tons of couples do that. That's fun and just cool stuff. So. [00:42:42] Speaker D: Or you should. [00:42:44] Speaker A: If you're not doing it now, try doing it. You'll have fun. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Since her. [00:42:48] Speaker D: I do. I was like, oh, who's she tonight? Who you bringing home to your hubby tonight? You know, like, have fun, play. [00:42:55] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:42:56] Speaker D: It's important. [00:42:57] Speaker B: Well, at some point, the two inner intersected. Right. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Okay, so you're doing a topless sexy photo. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Well, the sexy photos are happening. We're doing the modeling shoots when we can, you know, our kids go to bed. We have an extra room in our house that we can use that's locked all the time, except where we can go in there and do a little sexy photo shoot after. After hours, you know what I'm saying? When the kids are gone or whatever. So we've been doing that all along. We were getting our little. Having our little fun and getting our pictures, and then we're starting to dip our toes into hot wifing. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Okay. [00:43:28] Speaker B: And then those two things kind of came together with the opportunity to shoot for wifey. Okay, so that's where that came from. We had had a few experiences with. With local guys who, God bless them, they did, you know, admirably as they can for what's going on. Right. [00:43:45] Speaker D: But we don't lack in that department either. Like, that's another thing, like, our sex is amazing that we have. And so that's the thing is, like, when we add someone else in, it's like another cherry on top. Not that I'm missing my cherries and need my cherries replaced. You know what I mean? [00:44:06] Speaker B: Right. I always say that for us, it comes like the reason why we do hot wifing is out of a love of abundance, not like a lack of anything. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. [00:44:15] Speaker A: It's not. It doesn't come from scarcity. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Nothing. Nothing's lacking, but like, if you know what I'm saying, like, we like to have abundant supply of this. We like, like we already. You know what I'm saying? We're already doing great. Why not have this fun? It's, you know, it's the. The privilege that comes with working on your marriage like that. You know what I'm saying? [00:44:33] Speaker A: It's the reward. [00:44:34] Speaker B: It's light at the end of the tunnel. So we've done this. We've decided. I said, I told her I wifey had just come out. [00:44:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:44:41] Speaker B: It was about a year ago. Okay. I'm starting to see some of these videos roll out. I'm a hot wife, you know, porn enthusiast. You know, I. I keep up with that's how I knew about your podcast. That's how I know about all the, all the creators. Right. [00:44:52] Speaker D: And I've known and been comfortable with porn my whole, like adult life. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Right. She's never, she's never felt insecure about it even before, before lifestyle stuff or whatever. She's, you know, she's not a wife that like won't let you look at porn, you know, and there are some, I mean, you know, there are. Well, at some point I said, hey, there's this new site. I think it would be cool and just, just for fun. Just what if you audition for this site and the only, like, it's pretty much the top of the industry as far as companies go. Yeah. You're not going to find anything higher in terms of, of production value. [00:45:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:31] Speaker B: If this was to happen, they would make you look beautiful. This would be like amazing. This was, this is like 30 years ago. You tell your wife, take a shot at Playboy, right? Okay, take a shot at Playboy. Who knows, right? Yeah. [00:45:46] Speaker A: So it's almost like they're this like present day age playboy. Yeah. Right. [00:45:50] Speaker B: It's like a very similar vibe for me. Right. So like again, top of the industry. I'm like this. If it was gonna happen, let's just see if we can do this, right? Why not? What's the worst that can happen? We just continue on our life, right? Everything's fine. So we did, we, we applied and then we heard back and then it went from there and it was really cool. We went through the process and they asked us what we wanted to do. And for us, like, imagine us, we're just, we're basically still just sort of a regular like couple just trying to get into it, you know what I'm saying? We've had a few encounters here and there. We've gotten our foot wet and we know that we like it, we know that we, we want to do this. But that for real was her first BBC of her life that she. And it was her first professional porn scene of her life. This, you know. [00:46:33] Speaker A: And name the guy that was, it was Jack Slayer. Hold on. Name the guy that was Saints first BBC. [00:46:40] Speaker B: It was Jack Slayer. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Jack Slayer. So she just totally skipped high school, she skipped college, she skipped like, she just went straight to the pros. [00:46:52] Speaker B: Yep. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Like, like. [00:46:53] Speaker D: And now I'm here with the doctor. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Yep. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Now she's in the minor leagues. [00:47:00] Speaker B: Well, it was start to finish. Such a cool experience, man. Like that, you know, we threw that out there because it's a pretty classic hot wife theme as Far as, you know, BBC and. And also where we are located, it's somewhat of a rarity. You know, there's not like a lot of those types of creators, so. [00:47:16] Speaker A: So there's not a lot of black guys out here in Mormon country, Utah. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Not a ton. [00:47:22] Speaker D: No. So thank you for coming. [00:47:24] Speaker B: Thanks for coming. [00:47:25] Speaker A: You're welcome. Thank you for all the times you're about to come. Oh, yeah. Back to the podcast. [00:47:34] Speaker B: It was a really cool opportunity for us to sort of like a. We get the experience, right? I. They paid us, but at the end of the day I said I would have paid that amount to go there and do that. That's how much fun I had doing that. It was probably the most fun thing we've ever done as a married couple. It was so cool. All day long she got to have the experience of. Instead of, you know, being being a worker professional on the, on the set, she got to be the center of attention and have people pamper her and take care, attend to her beauty needs, you know, so that was cool. And yeah, I mean, again, I was just. It's hard. They give you a camera and they ask you to do husband cam shots. They ask you to do it. And, and I love to do that and I think I got some good stuff. But God dang, man, there were some times where I had to just sit down on that couch and just take in what was happening. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, this is my wife and this is Jack Slayer and we're here on the set of Wifey. Like I've, he's, you know, to me, he's a legend. I kind of came of age as a stag, you know, husband on all those, like hot wife, Triple X, like all those old New Sensations videos. I love those videos, dude. I think they're amazing. They're really cool. There's a, there's a vibe to those videos and then there's a vibe to like real hot wife, like kind of amateur hot wife stuff too. I like them both. I like it all. I like the vibe of those old videos in certain ways. And to, to just. Yeah, to have a dude that you've seen so many times, you know, in those things, it was kind of surreal. I joke with her. I say it with. Was sort of like, you know, your favorite team called and they said, dude, our third string quarterback just broke his leg. Are you in the stands right now? Can you put a jersey on and get down here? And we're like, yes, let's do this. Let's get in it. So, yeah, dude, I was so impressed by what I saw from her. Like, she went in there, and our interview was awesome. As a married couple, nobody ever just sits you down and, like, asks you, like, probing questions about your love and shit. Like, that never happens. So that was really fun to do. And then, yeah, to see her be in her element, it's like, that's how you know she was made for this. You know, that's how you know she's authentically cut out for this, is because she went right in there. She went right in there and just was, like, pampered. And they're like, it's in front of the crew and everything. You. I think any dude, every guy who is into the idea of hot wifing for his wife has envisioned watching his wife like that. You know what I'm saying? And maybe you have imagined watching your wife in a. In a porn thing or with a certain porn star or whatever, but it's so real when you're there and there's a boom mic guy and a lighting guy. I mean, you know that that's there or whatever, but in your mind. [00:50:12] Speaker D: And I always wonder. It's completely quiet, too. That's another level. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:50:19] Speaker D: That I think a lot of people have to understand with doing pro set is like. Like, you have to mentally do the work that you're comfortable enough, like, still being you without distraction, like, going on around you and not psyching yourself out. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. So I thought she did so great. [00:50:40] Speaker A: Did you watch it? [00:50:41] Speaker B: What'd you think? [00:50:41] Speaker A: I watched, like, clips of it, and, like, it was, like, amazing. Like, you can take some dick. [00:50:48] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:50:51] Speaker A: She can take some dick. And I mean, me and Saint, we were shooting a few, like, you know, cute pictures, you know, Christmas pictures. And then, you know. Yeah. All of a sudden, my dick came out, and it was in her mouth. And I was like, I, I. I like this one. [00:51:12] Speaker B: I like. [00:51:13] Speaker A: And I was like, we got to record a podcast. [00:51:15] Speaker D: We had to do that. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Take your titty out of my mouth. [00:51:20] Speaker D: The energy's so good, though, you know? [00:51:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. I'm so glad we got to record, man. It's been fun. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yes. So we are about to. I think you're in line for a sensual massage, my dear. Yes. [00:51:35] Speaker D: I'm super excited. [00:51:37] Speaker A: Yes. And so we're gonna film this, and you can watch the video whenever we publish it. So our only fans or fansly. [00:51:47] Speaker B: Yep. We never gotta. Only fans. I don't know. It's just One of those things. We started with Fansley and we just started with that. It's basically the same. I don't know, whatever. It's Saint LaRose on Fansley. It's Love Saint LaRose on X. [00:52:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:52:01] Speaker D: Okay. [00:52:02] Speaker A: Yes. [00:52:02] Speaker D: Love Saint LaRose on X and Saint Laro's on Fancy. [00:52:05] Speaker B: You got it. [00:52:06] Speaker A: And the Saint is all spills spilled out. S A I N T. Yes. Yes. And so make sure you follow them on Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, make sure you go to Fansly and follow them. But before we have a final exit, I want y' all to tell everybody, perhaps somebody's listening to this and they want to get into the lifestyle and they're a little bit nervous. Right. And they're a couple. What advice would you guys collectively give them? [00:52:46] Speaker B: I think. [00:52:49] Speaker D: Give yourself permission to. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Say. [00:52:55] Speaker D: Yes and then also give yourself permission to question after. Because I think a lot of time it's easier to give yourself permission no, because then you're scared of what the questions might be after if you say yes to yourself. So if you just say yes, you're still going to be you after, but maybe you'll find another version of you after that you would have never found before before if you had said no. [00:53:31] Speaker A: Beautiful. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yep. I think that was beautiful. That was great. I mean, I don't. I don't really have any particular wisdom or knowledge or advice. I guess I would just say that, you know, it's the same stuff that you always hear. It's a. It's a process that evolves between two people. And just like my wife may never want to see me play with. With another person, and that's fine with me. That's a fairly normal, you know what I'm saying? Take on things, and you have to accept that, too. If. If your wife never wants to be in the lifestyle, never wants to do things, then that's between you guys to navigate yourself. And you're gonna have to come to that conclusion to find out, well, what do you guys want to do together? You know what I'm saying? You guys are together for a reason. Where is your love going to take you? You know what I'm saying? If. If it's. If you guys can't both go there together, then it's not the place, you know, so that would be just. Even. Even if lifestyle stuff never works out and one partner wants that very badly, that itself is something that you guys have to navigate together. And wherever you guys end up, that's. That's where it went, you know? What I mean. [00:54:41] Speaker A: That is very, very good and sage advice. So you've been listening to Doc Chocolates along with the lovely saints LaRose and stag hubby Ryan LaRose and make sure that you check them out on their Twitter it's Love Saint LaRose and that's all spelled out. And on fansly it's Saint LaRose all spelled out. Check them out now make sure you check me out at.chocolatefans.com if you want a sensual massage and some more fun that comes afterwards, make sure you hit me up at that link on Dr. Fans.com if you want to see me have sexual relations with beautiful ladies such as Saint Larose, go to the only fans link that's on my page. So until next time, y' all be blessed. Never stress make love and not war. Yes girl, we out. Don't do drugs. [00:55:47] Speaker C: Thank you for listening to everybody's favorite Black Man Candy, Doc Chocolate of the Bulls and Queens podcast. If you would like Doc Chocolate to help you host your next fun and kinky private party, or you want info on his next monthly Las Vegas Bulls and Queens play party, or you'd like to have him pose as a nude or semi nude model for your next next Girls night Out or bachelorette party, make sure you go to www.bullsandqueens.com right now and fill out the form on the website to contact doc again. That's www.bullsandqueens.com. until next time. Bulls, Queens and Cucks. Stay sexy. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Sam.