137 | Freya de Vries the Blonde Sexy German Hotwife

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[00:03:06] Speaker A: Is that, is that it? Just hi guys. Like just hi. [00:03:10] Speaker C: Hi guys. Hey. Hey guys. [00:03:12] Speaker A: What about the ladies and ladies. [00:03:14] Speaker C: Hey everybody. How are you? [00:03:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so, so we'll work on that. So make sure that if you are listening to this, which obviously you are listening to this, because why would you even hear the words that come out of my voice if you weren't listening to this? Make sure you subscribe to the Bulls and Queens on whatever platform you're listening to this on, whether it is Apple, Spotify or some other platform. And also make sure you check out doc chocolatefans.com. where you can see me copulating and. And having sexual explorations with beautiful wives from all across the multiverse. And I have one of those beautiful wives here currently. Can I get a quick hi? [00:04:01] Speaker D: Is that all I know to say? [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:03] Speaker D: Hello. [00:04:05] Speaker A: That sounded very, very forced. [00:04:07] Speaker D: Hey. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Hey. I was supposed to say hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. And can you say it in Germany? [00:04:14] Speaker D: Hello. [00:04:15] Speaker A: Hello. Yes. Okay, so, okay, she. She's. She's kind of nervous, but she ain't nervous when she's in the bedroom. But we're gonna. We're going to introduce our guest here in a moment, but make sure that you also give us a five star review on whatever platform you're listening to this on. And you can also check out all the past episodes of Bulls and Queens atbulls and queens.com. and make sure you check out My lovely lady@funcharlie.com as well. But without further ado, drum roll, please. Boom. Sounds look like you're, like, mixing records, like, DJing. So without further ado, let's go ahead and welcome our guests. They are. Actually, I'll let you guys introduce yourselves. I'm lazy today. [00:05:11] Speaker D: Oh, wow. Hello, everyone. I'm Freya. It's good to be here. I brought someone with me. [00:05:18] Speaker E: Yeah, that would be Mr. Devries, Freya's husband. Pleasure to be here. Wonderful to be on the podcast. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:05:29] Speaker E: For hosting us. [00:05:29] Speaker A: You're very, very welcome. So it is Fred and Freya devries. Devry. Debris. [00:05:36] Speaker D: The Freeze. [00:05:37] Speaker A: The Freeze. [00:05:37] Speaker D: Great. [00:05:38] Speaker A: The Freeze. Okay. The Freeze. And I just gave Fred a name, and now it's done. You can't go by any other name. You're always gonna be Fred. [00:05:48] Speaker C: Fred and Freya. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah, Fred and Freya. Fred and Freya. Freya and Fred. You know, all the hats, you know, they love effing too. So anyways, tell everybody a little bit about yourselves. [00:06:02] Speaker D: Wow. Where to begin? So, well, ourselves, Our story. He tells that better. [00:06:09] Speaker E: Oh, okay. [00:06:10] Speaker D: Right away. [00:06:17] Speaker E: Punting it to Fred. Well, basically, we are a hot wifing couple with a proclivity for black gentlemen. And we're live in the Midwest. We're both originally from Europe and we're. We're getting into the lifestyle. We're also getting into some content creation and making friends, having new experiences. What more is there to say? [00:06:46] Speaker D: Yeah, we're new here and we're just here to have fun. [00:06:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Yep, definitely. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Translation, we're here to fault. That's what she said. Freya. She came down and she said, I am here to. [00:06:59] Speaker C: As soon as she walked through the Door. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Very deep voice. I got scared. [00:07:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:03] Speaker A: And then, like, very turned on at the same time. But the crazy thing is neither one of them really have a European accent. So when you first told me, Freya, that you're from Europe, I'm not sure if we could say. [00:07:21] Speaker E: Well, yeah, yeah, let's. Let's say. Yeah, let's. Let's speak in the accents and have people guess. [00:07:26] Speaker A: I like that. That. That is good. God damn it, Fred. That's why I like you. I love Fred. I love. [00:07:32] Speaker E: Just a little bit. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Okay. Just a tip. Just a tip. [00:07:36] Speaker D: I. I have to think about it. Of course, it always takes a little bit of getting into it, and then I slide back out of it because it's just been accent free for. Accent free. Accent free for so long. [00:07:48] Speaker C: Nice. [00:07:49] Speaker D: Yeah. So good. So what. What do we think? [00:07:51] Speaker A: I think that you like having things slid into you. [00:07:56] Speaker C: You're not wrong. [00:07:59] Speaker A: And Mr. Fred. So, okay, so guess what, Freya. Guess where she is from. What European country she. She is from. So Mr. Fred go. [00:08:09] Speaker E: So I come. I probably come from the country in Europe that has the sexiest accents ever. [00:08:18] Speaker D: Confirmed. [00:08:19] Speaker E: And then we come to America. The ladies just fall for us left and right. So it's like fishing with dynamite. [00:08:30] Speaker A: Fishing with dynamite, baby. Oh, my God. [00:08:32] Speaker D: That's awesome. [00:08:33] Speaker C: That's the first time he's done that this weekend. Yeah, that's great. [00:08:36] Speaker A: No, he did it when he first came. [00:08:37] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't. I missed it. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yes. [00:08:39] Speaker C: He didn't see I wasn't here. [00:08:41] Speaker E: You didn't see me coming. [00:08:42] Speaker D: I didn't see him come. [00:08:43] Speaker C: I missed the. I missed the. [00:08:45] Speaker A: Yeah, the ejaculation. Yeah. My. My name is do, and I like to. Okay, I'll stop. So anyways, Freya is from Germany, if you have not guessed it yet. And Fred is from Norway. Norway. Yay. All right, and real quick, how do people reach you from Freya? Because I know Fred. He doesn't have a social media account. Do you? No, no, no. [00:09:19] Speaker D: Okay, so, Freya, so for now, you can find me on my Twitter X, whatever we're calling it these days. And that's really simple. Simple. It is just Freya to freeze. That was not taken. That was good. Yeah, about to. That is F R E Y a D E F. No, that isn't correct. [00:09:41] Speaker A: God damn it. [00:09:42] Speaker D: Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's F R E Y a D E V R I E S. There you go. [00:09:53] Speaker E: That's right. [00:09:53] Speaker C: Okay, good. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Bam. [00:09:55] Speaker C: Very good. [00:09:55] Speaker D: Yes. [00:09:56] Speaker A: I love it. And you can also find the link in the show notes as well. So my question to you guys is, obviously, you guys have been dipping a toe and clit into the lifestyle pool in the content creation ocean. Where. Where did the genesis take place? Like, what. What. What made you guys even want to go into the crazy journey of exploring lifestyle? [00:10:26] Speaker D: So that's a. It came in two phases, right? So the lifestyle exploration, or the proposition, rather, came pretty much instantaneously after we met. And all credit goes to Fred. Fred, that's sticking to it. Yeah, that's sticking for sure. Because he was super fair and super open and upfront with, hey, this is something that I enjoy, but it's not a deal break. It's not something I have to have. I still like you for you. But he sensed that, keeping that from me. And I'm the type of person who has trouble disappointing people. If he sprung that on me later, then I might feel obligated to react in a certain way. And I didn't at the time. And I said, you know, that's really kind, but I don't think that's for me. And we sort of left it at that. And then we dated for four years and took the whole four years for me to kind of acclimate, Acclimate and understand a little more and do my research and not just go off of preconceived notions of what all this stuff is about. And then we got married and we dipped in the first toe, and that was good, but there it was hard. And then life happened for a while, and we almost failed out of the lifestyle. And. [00:12:05] Speaker C: What. [00:12:05] Speaker D: What is it, like, three, four months ago now? I got really frustrated and I said, we're just going to do it differently this time. We're going to take it seriously this time, and we're going to make sure that we take a camera along so that I cannot later change my mind about whether or not I had fun. [00:12:20] Speaker E: Because I like that document. The proof. [00:12:22] Speaker C: Yes, because there's important times, there's hard proof. I have. [00:12:26] Speaker D: I have very good times, and that's how we're here. [00:12:30] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:12:31] Speaker A: I love it. I love it. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Can I highlight something? Because we had this conversation, Frey and I, when they got here, and she was explaining the first date that they had. He explained what he was into this hot wifing thing, and I was so excited. And that is the best. The best situation you could possibly set her up with, because it's like if, you know, you have this kid, this fetish that is very important to you. He. He expressed that he Wasn't. It wasn't a deal breaker, but for a lot of people it is. And so please be upfront. Just like the first day. This is what I'm into. If you're not into it, then you. [00:13:11] Speaker D: Don'T have to waste your time. [00:13:12] Speaker C: Don't waste somebody's time for months or years thinking that you'll be able to get them into it later. You know, it's like, if you know about yourself, be honest and upfront and good things can happen, you know, And I love that. [00:13:25] Speaker A: That's. [00:13:25] Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Yeah. [00:13:27] Speaker A: Thank you, Fred. [00:13:28] Speaker C: Yes, thank you, Fred. [00:13:31] Speaker A: All right, so how long have you guys been in the lifestyle? And I know we don't like to be stuck to labels that other people put on us, but what would you label yourselves as? Like, stag vixen tuck, hot wifing couple. Go. [00:13:54] Speaker D: We're gonna split the question and I'm gonna let everybody know. We started. So we got married in the fall of 2022, and that was when I sort of. We literally had a deal. I'm ready to explore this once we're married. And then we started looking into it in late 2022, early in 2023. That's when we had our first couple experiences. Then we had a bunch of kids, and then I was not in the mood. And then we picked back up this year, really. And I will let you explain our dynamic because. Okay, you know that better. [00:14:36] Speaker E: You got the chronology, I'll get the dynamic. So I think it's more of a hot wifing thing where with a dash of, I think, cuckolding, mild, you know, kind of cuckold themed teasing, we're. We're both kind of working our way into getting comfortable with that aspect of it. And it's truly not the essential part of it. The essential part. It's more of the conversion part with her getting to have a lot of fun and getting to kind of be a different person. Then she feels she can. She can, or she wants to be with me. We still have great sex, but it's slightly different, you know, So I think the cuckolding part can. Can be kind of fun sometimes, but it's. It's not like a pervasive element outside of when we're engaging with this. We're not like an FLR relationship, for example, but we're also not like a swinger couple where it goes both ways where I'm hooking up with other people. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Hey there, Cucks. 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Then go now to hotwhitetrainingday.com to get started. Now back to the episode. And the thing is with this couple, this is a beautiful couple, like just describing them. I mean, you can see Freya on her Twitter. But fred, he's like 6 foot 4 tall, you know, dashing, good looks. He looks like the guy off of Princess Bride. [00:17:24] Speaker D: Fantastic mustache. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Yes, fantastic mustache. It's almost like a porn mustache. But what's the guy's name on Princess Bride? That one guy, the hero. [00:17:34] Speaker E: Carrie Elwes. [00:17:35] Speaker A: Carrie L L Wes. [00:17:38] Speaker C: Play the couple on Princess Bride for Halloween at some point and send me pictures. I'm going to be upset. [00:17:42] Speaker A: Yes. And she looks like the. She looks like the bride. You know, she's tall, lovely blonde, long flowing blonde hair, five' eleven. Just like nice little tiny ass that kind of pops out a little bit. That's a nice little pop. Has a little snap, crackle pop. I call that that Rice Krispie ass. It's like snap, crackle pop. Hey, we were popping it last night too, so I'm just trying to make you blush. I'm sorry, I apologize. I'm an S. Yesterday afternoon. Okay. Okay. [00:18:17] Speaker D: So very good. [00:18:18] Speaker A: Thank you, thank you, thank you. That's. That's what she said. [00:18:20] Speaker C: No, I know, but this is her. That was her first shoot. [00:18:24] Speaker A: What ever. Like, I mean, that was your first shoot ever? [00:18:26] Speaker C: Yes, they've had shoots. [00:18:27] Speaker D: We've had a camera in the room. [00:18:29] Speaker C: But this is her first official shoot. [00:18:32] Speaker A: I did not know that. [00:18:34] Speaker C: So this is like. [00:18:36] Speaker D: Hell yes. [00:18:36] Speaker C: Like we've Set the bar a little high because we. The production value was way more than what, you know, a normal shoot is, so. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:18:44] Speaker C: But I love it. It's like, we got to be her first. [00:18:46] Speaker A: I like that. We. Yeah. We broke your cherry. We broke your cherry. [00:18:50] Speaker E: Yeah, you really popped them. Speaking of porn mustache, there's actually a little bit of a story there, so. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Oh, the story behind the mustache, baby. [00:19:01] Speaker E: So this shirt that Freya is wearing. [00:19:03] Speaker C: Okay. [00:19:03] Speaker E: I was actually wearing this one time when we're heading into a grocery store to pick up some supplies to go to a drive in theater and watch a movie. And there's this. There's this kid working at the grocery store who's just exclaiming out loud as we're walking up to the front door. [00:19:23] Speaker D: Man, you look like. [00:19:24] Speaker E: No, didn't even say man. Just said you look like a porn star. Naturally, I assumed this kid was referring to Freya, but then he said something following up that made me realize he's referring to me. [00:19:38] Speaker A: He's talking about you. [00:19:39] Speaker E: He's talking about the mustache and the mustache. [00:19:42] Speaker C: No, he. [00:19:42] Speaker D: What he follow up was the mustache. That cannot be me. [00:19:46] Speaker E: Then I can't be Freya. And I was just. It sounds silly saying this, but I was so flattered by that. [00:19:55] Speaker C: That is such. [00:19:56] Speaker E: That's such an ego boost. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because. Hey. Hey. He looks like he could be mainstream. Like, I mean, honestly, like, you know, obviously, you're very beautiful. Lovely. And I mean, it's like, wow. So. So. [00:20:10] Speaker C: No, it is. But it is very specifically a porn mustache, not a cot mustache. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:14] Speaker C: I'd like to specify. [00:20:15] Speaker A: It's a porn stache. [00:20:16] Speaker C: Yes, it's porn stache, not a cot mustache. There is a bit of a difference. [00:20:20] Speaker E: Okay. [00:20:21] Speaker C: And it's just as good. Just as good, but it is a little slight. Yeah. [00:20:25] Speaker E: People react to it in different ways. [00:20:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:20:29] Speaker E: Some people clench up for one, and some people loosen up for the other. [00:20:33] Speaker C: Yeah, they're open. [00:20:34] Speaker A: When Charlie saw him, Fred. Walk in the door, she wanted to stick things in his mustache. [00:20:42] Speaker D: Comb it, brain. [00:20:43] Speaker A: That's it. He's like, I'm gonna get all up in that mustache. [00:20:47] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:20:48] Speaker A: So, okay, so this was your first scene. Yes. Okay, tell everybody. Give everybody, like, a synopsis of what we did yesterday. [00:20:55] Speaker D: Oh, man. [00:20:57] Speaker A: And I was a virgin. I was a virgin before you. [00:20:59] Speaker D: Oh, geez. Was your bow in the center? [00:21:02] Speaker A: It was. It was like. Like, like you were my very first woman I've had sex with. [00:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah, it shows. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I lasted all of 32 and a half seconds. [00:21:13] Speaker D: Oh, dear. So very graciously our two hosts kind of took us by the hand and helped us, helped us deliver something that was extremely entertaining. So fun and. Yeah, fun. Fun to do and hopefully fun to watch. And the whole, the whole storyline, because there is a storyline. And that was so fun. I was telling Fred earlier, we were out for a walk and I said, you know, halfway through the first storyline, like the first setup shot that we did, I had this out of body experience where I was like, wait, I. [00:21:55] Speaker C: Can actually do this? I know. You kept saying, you know, I'm not good at improv. I don't know if I'm going to be able to. And I'm like, you are very good. You're very, like, natural. You said some things that totally, like, made me have to hold my laughter within the moment. So it's like, I feel like you're really going to, like, get into your own over the next year and I feel like. Yeah, I'm excited. It's going to be good. [00:22:19] Speaker A: I agree. [00:22:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker D: Yeah. So we had a ton of fun and it's like 105, so. [00:22:25] Speaker A: 105 degrees. [00:22:27] Speaker D: Yeah, it's 105 out. And we cooled down the car and Doc was my chauffeur. He picked me up the airport and it's my first time visiting the United States. Yes. Very exciting stuff. And I am looking to. To party. To make the party. Yes. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, yes. [00:22:51] Speaker C: Sexy German voice costume also. [00:22:54] Speaker D: Oh, right. So when we first met and we first connected online, I mentioned this is going to be my first Fourth of July as a US citizen and I kind of want to do something themed for it. If we're recording now and we're doing this, then I kind of want to. That would be so cool. Just to kick off on that note. And so then you asked, where am I from? And I just sent you a picture of me in my journal, which is pretty obvious to those who. And you knew. So. And the first thing out of your mouth was, you're bringing that. [00:23:29] Speaker C: You're absolutely wearing that. [00:23:31] Speaker D: Yes. [00:23:33] Speaker A: I didn't even ask her. I just said, you're bringing that. [00:23:36] Speaker E: Yes. [00:23:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:37] Speaker D: And so that's what I was sort of mentally preparing myself as I'm like trying from a throat not to clench up thinking about having to be on camera, which I very much want and I so enjoy. But it's also so outside of what I normally do and how I used to live my life, which is the whole reason why we're. Why we're doing this. And that was the part that I was prepared for. So that's what we just, that's the project we picked and it was really, really fun. So he picked me up at the airport and made sure my Airbnb was safe. Because you hear. So no, we didn't say, we specifically didn't say Airbnb. My short term rental was safe. My short term rental was, was nice. And yeah, we, we made the party. [00:24:21] Speaker A: Yes, yes. So when she was in the back seat, I said, okay, well Ms. Freya, where am I taking you to? And she said, my, my, my short. [00:24:30] Speaker D: Term rental, yeah, my short term rental, yes. [00:24:33] Speaker A: And I said, okay, well, what do you like to do? Like, what do you want to do here in America? And to which you responded, well, us. [00:24:43] Speaker D: How do I do it? Do I do it, Do I do it like this? [00:24:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Oh, you definitely do it like that. You definitely do it like that. Yes. [00:24:49] Speaker D: Okay. Okay. So we like to drink the beer and we like to make the party and we like to Satik. [00:24:57] Speaker A: Wait, wait, what? [00:24:59] Speaker D: Yeah, the bigger the better. [00:25:03] Speaker C: Scandalous. [00:25:06] Speaker E: Scandalous, yes. [00:25:07] Speaker C: So just so, so confident. Like it was talking about the weather. Yeah, it was good. Yes. [00:25:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And there was definitely a storm in my pants going on when she said that and I said, did I hear you right? [00:25:21] Speaker D: I don't remember what happened then. I do disassociate a little bit, but I do remember having fun. [00:25:27] Speaker E: Poor guy. Getting seduced by this, this tramp from Germany. [00:25:34] Speaker A: I, I, I, it was rough. It was very rough for me. [00:25:38] Speaker C: It was very, it is always. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a hard time for me. Yeah. So I was a gentleman in the car. I continued driving. She wanted to place her hand on my stick shift, but I refrained because I'm professional. And so I took her to her short term rental and I checked out the place, make sure everything was clean and good. And then we got bedroom and she brought a nutcracker doll. Explain that. [00:26:15] Speaker D: Well, we tried to be, we tried to be welcome guests. So unironically. We did bring, we did bring a little bit of a guest gift. And that's a, an original German nutcracker. Nutcracker from the Eskim Bug. It was awesome. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Like the soldier in the red blazer and the black hats and the beard with the tea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To break nuts. [00:26:39] Speaker C: Nuts. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah, nuts. [00:26:40] Speaker D: Nuts were broken. Making of that video, I promise I'm. [00:26:45] Speaker A: A little bit swollen today. [00:26:47] Speaker C: Maybe tender, but. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah, tender. She was riding me hard. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Yeah, it was so good. It was very, it was hot. It Was funny. It was just. Well, everything was good. [00:26:58] Speaker D: It just worked well. [00:27:00] Speaker A: It really was. [00:27:00] Speaker C: I can't wait. [00:27:01] Speaker A: It really was. [00:27:02] Speaker D: Actually worked out really great for me because I. I laugh a. [00:27:07] Speaker A: During sex, she definitely laughs a lot. Like as soon as I pulled down my pants and she saw my dick, she laughed. [00:27:14] Speaker D: That's exactly what I meant. But this is, this was a really great environment to like sort of just. Just roll, like wing it and just be myself. And as it turns out, so do you. [00:27:26] Speaker C: So that's great. I know. As soon as she laughed for the first time during sex, I was like, oh my God, that is. And we showed her a video last night of me on a very laughy scene. And it's very similar. It sounds very similar. It was funny. [00:27:41] Speaker A: It was just like, yeah, shout out to West Philly Dom. I. So I was recording Charlie and West Philly Dom in Miami and this young lady had herself a time and. Yeah, but yeah, we'll talk about that later. Probably on a future episode, because God damn. But wait. [00:28:03] Speaker C: No, I liked it. And women in general do not usually let themselves go to the point because I, I think, I think a lot more women would laugh if they could just let themselves experience the whole thing. Because it's just like whatever comes out, you're. You're moaning, you're grunting, you're laughing, you know, whatever the. That needs to come out. And I think more women need to just embrace that. And I love that. When I heard that, I was like, fuck yes. I was like, that's why I brought the book, the. The whole orgasm book up. Because I'm like, if you are open enough with your. And you're good enough with yourself to like let yourself laugh during orgasms and stuff, you can absolutely benefit. Like, yeah, it's gonna blow your freaking. [00:28:46] Speaker A: Yeah, anyway, she definitely blew. Yeah, she blew you blow too. You both, two of you ladies are excellent blowers. We are like. Or like we're gonna take that to the test? [00:28:56] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Wait, wait, what? [00:28:58] Speaker C: We've got set up. [00:29:00] Speaker A: What? [00:29:00] Speaker D: We have more filming today. [00:29:01] Speaker A: What's going on? [00:29:02] Speaker E: You poor guy, Doc. You were gonna get seduced again all over again. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Well, I mean, yes. Yesterday I have Freya and today I have Charlie and Freya. I have two lovely, blonde, blue eyed, beautiful ladies that are gonna do something in regards to blowing out by the pool in our backyard. I don't know what to say. I hope you guys get wet outside of eating in the pool. [00:29:27] Speaker C: It'll be a lot of wet. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Oh, a lot of wet. [00:29:29] Speaker C: A lot of wet. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I'm such a. [00:29:33] Speaker C: So there is no argument there. [00:29:37] Speaker D: That's why we love you. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Thank you. I love you guys too. So what made you guys want to transition? 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[00:32:00] Speaker A: I'm like, friend. Okay, okay, guys, guys. I love friend because, like, you know, he's like, kind of very humble, you know, kind of quiet when he needs to be quiet. But like, yesterday, before we were gonna film, like, I was like, okay, well, the two ladies were talking, and I was like, being patient. I'm kind of thinking in my head, okay, I hope these ladies hurry up, because I'm ready to go, right? And so Fred looks at me and he knows exactly what I'm thinking because we made that eye contact, right? And so Fred looked at Charlie and what did you say, Charlie? [00:32:33] Speaker E: Are you cock blocking the doc? [00:32:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:32:35] Speaker C: Yeah, that's exactly. And I was. I mean, we were talking business and I wasn't thinking. I. When I get Red Bull in me, I'm like, talkative way more. [00:32:43] Speaker A: And it gives her wings. [00:32:44] Speaker C: Yes, it does give me wings. And he. And I love him for going, hey, we need to. I want to watch my wife. Let's go. [00:32:52] Speaker A: Yes, let's. [00:32:53] Speaker C: No words. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:55] Speaker C: And I love it. It was good, because then we got. We got our. Done. [00:32:58] Speaker A: We did. Yes, yes. [00:32:59] Speaker C: Good on. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Okay, so concentration, creation. [00:33:03] Speaker E: Yes. [00:33:03] Speaker C: Yes. [00:33:04] Speaker A: She pointed back at Fred just for reference. Because you guys can't see what just happened. [00:33:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:11] Speaker E: I think a big. A big, big reason for us was that we met a lot of unserious people before. Like, unserious guys, serious single gentlemen who were on the surface, interested in banging Freya, and they ended up not following through. They. They were not really the. I don't want to sound snobbish, but they weren't really kind of like the caliber or the. The type of person that we were looking for them. You know, they didn't have maturity for. [00:33:46] Speaker A: It, and that's okay. Like, honestly, you are not being snobbish, in my opinion, because I feel like you do need a. A level of standard. [00:33:59] Speaker E: Right, Exactly. And we also. That leads me to kind of another aspect of it. We. We realized that we are maybe compromising in some ways about who we're looking for and that we really shouldn't do that. It is. I mean, it is really possible to find someone that really checks the boxes for what you consider to be a good time within the lifestyle. Otherwise, why do it? That's kind of what spurs the fantasy in the first place. And those people are equally appreciative of you finding them. And so we realized, and we kind of heard this on some other podcasts, two people talking about this. And we realized a lot of the people who are. Are serious about this, who aren't just going to sext Freya up leading up to. To something in the cancel or just kind of burn out. These are people who are content creators a lot of the time. They kind of. They kind of live in this world and they. They get it. So that. I think that was a big reason for. For us. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And that definitely makes sense because a lot of times, you know, there's like this taboo effects between people that are just strictly lifestyle and then those that are in constant creation. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Right. [00:35:23] Speaker A: Because a lot of times lifestyles are like, oh, those fucking content creators Burn in hell. Maybe not that deep, but, but there can sometimes be a level of animosity and just from my standpoint, the way I roll and the way a lot of my peers role is we're lifestyle first and then content creators. So I'm not going to create content with anybody that I'm not attracted to and, or anybody that I don't like. And so the only difference is we're putting like, you know, getting creative and putting like little story or spin to it because that's actually fun for me, you know, creating like a little story and spin. And yeah, we make money from like fucking the people that we like to play with. So I guess we're all capitalists. But anyways. Hey guys, we were just talking about Germany and socialism before we turn on the, the, the audio recorder and started drinking our vodka shots. So. So yeah, it goes deep. [00:36:28] Speaker D: Deep conversations go deep too. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Yeah, she likes it deep. [00:36:33] Speaker D: But you bring up a really interesting point and we have already sort of, sort of touched up against what you're describing where there seems to be a divide between folks who do record and make that available to the general public and folks who don't. And for us. So we're both business minded, we're both professionals and we have our business degree. And before we did this, we wrote down, we didn't. Calling it a business plan is ambitious. [00:37:07] Speaker A: She wrote a business plan for fucky. [00:37:10] Speaker D: Hoe Plan, whole plan. And we're gonna set up a ho. Oh, one K. Yeah. [00:37:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I love that. Oh fuck yes. [00:37:19] Speaker D: Credit or credit is due. That's Tyler Perry. [00:37:22] Speaker A: Oh shit. Matilla baby. That's right. [00:37:25] Speaker E: That was madeo. Right. [00:37:28] Speaker D: So in the first rule, the first rule of the business plan is if we're ever not having fun, then we're out. No matter the opportunity cost, no matter like whatever. Like if we're on the same page or even if one of us is for sure, it's for sure. It's over. It's over. And we are very interested in some single males in the lifestyle who are very firmly on the lifestyle side of things. And then we're very interested in some of the folks who are on the. More on the also do content. But and it's interesting still wanting to preserve what you're describing, that like I do want to have fun with people and I'm only going to play with people who I'm attracted to. But then you add, you throw a couple of like nuance points in there, like respecting each other's time and being professional and that Actually, so far, I love it. Because no one's flaking. Because they're not, to quote another friend of ours, because they're not a 300 pound guy in Iowa. [00:38:32] Speaker C: It's. [00:38:33] Speaker D: It's great. [00:38:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker E: They're not catfishing you. [00:38:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:36] Speaker D: And we, we did get catfished and we learned from it. [00:38:39] Speaker A: If you are a 300 pound guy that lives in Des Moines, I apologize. [00:38:47] Speaker D: Really. [00:38:47] Speaker E: No offense to you. [00:38:48] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. [00:38:48] Speaker E: You're a great person. Yeah, sure, you're a great person, but. [00:38:52] Speaker A: Freya doesn't want you. [00:38:53] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:55] Speaker A: You. Charlie, are you. Are you. No, I'm good. Oh, all right. [00:39:03] Speaker C: All right. Okay. So I have a good question, or I have a. I. I always get excited and I'd like to say something quick on the content creator slash lifestyle situation where the lifestylers don't like the creators. [00:39:17] Speaker A: Yes, mistress. [00:39:19] Speaker C: Because I was the. One of the best examples of that is Secrets. Because at most Eye Candy events, there are a ton of creators that come in. So it's actually really good networking. [00:39:33] Speaker D: As someone who doesn't know anything about anything, what is Secrets? [00:39:36] Speaker C: Oh, okay. I will tell you. Okay. So Secrets is one of the most unique. Thank you. Lifestyle clubs in the United States. It's in Florida. It's in Kissimmee. Kissimmee. I said it wrong again. I lived there for freaking two years and I still can't say it right. The locals will go, it's Disneyland. [00:39:56] Speaker A: I'm sorry, Disney World. [00:39:57] Speaker C: Not Kissimmee. But it is a lifestyle club. It's half outside, it's half inside, it's wrapped around. Everything's internal, but it's surrounded by two levels of privately owned condos. And the condos on the inside are. Have a huge glass window. So you can either watch if the drapes are up, if the Drake, you know, if the things are down, you can't watch. Obviously, if the door is open, you can enter and join. If the door is closed, you can still watch if the things are open there. Each room is individually themed and decorated by the owners. And a lot of them have like sex swings and BDS room, BDSM rooms. And it's really eclectic. And then they've just built a huge pool. So most of the days there's a huge, like, pool party dj, all kinds of crazy stuff happens and you can basically do anything anywhere on the property as long as you're not in the front where the, you know, public can see you. But so because there are so many owners of rooms and stuff, when I like Eye Candy events come in and there's a lot of creator. A lot more creators. Lifestyle is usually a gateway to being a creator. Usually. And so when creators come in and they are primarily focused on getting created, creating while they're there, and then lifestylers just want to play, it's a kind of conflict of interest. Interest. So when we are doing lifestyle stuff, we try to strictly be lifestyle because we want to have fun. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker C: If we have a choice to make content or do lifestyle, we will absolutely choose lifestyle every fucking time. Because we don't want to. Being on camera, you have to. Angles, lights and all that bullshit. And when you're just having fun, you're just having fun at the moment. The fun feeling, the. Yeah, so I totally get it. I totally understand. But I think there's still a. An environment where we both can exist. We just have to be a little. I think the creators have to be a little bit more con. Considerate to the regular lifestylers who don't want anything to do that just, you. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Know, that's fair enough. [00:42:16] Speaker D: And I want to set the record straight because absolutely this happens. This. This. I'm shocked. Nobody's more shocked than me to. To learn that this happens a lot. And everywhere and people are really kinky and they're just doing their thing everywhere. And it's not only on camera. And people who are on camera have an incentive to come speak to you guys and other podcasts, but absolutely, this does happen everywhere. And it can look a million different ways. And the goal, whether there's a camera there or not, is to have fun. It seems we all agree on that. But just because there is a. There's a. There's a market for bringing camera and showing how fun it is doesn't mean that there aren't people who are enjoying this. And that doesn't mean that you have to come on camera to have a good time. That's not what we're trying to prove by taking the path that we're taking this. It really comes back in part for me, especially for me, to the therapeutic aspect of it all. And we absolutely could have. Could have taken a serious approach without the camera and still gotten a lot out of it. [00:43:41] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. And that actually leads me to my question for you, because I love when women come into this situation either. Like, I. I don't hear about it a lot in content creation, but lifestyle is a gateway. So it's usually one hand in hand. [00:43:58] Speaker A: But I feel like you guys are talking about drugs, like gateway drugs too. [00:44:02] Speaker C: But so you. When women Talk about using either the lifestyle or BDSM or just sex positivity in general to be therapeutic in their past traumas. It gets me so freaking excited because it's very effective. And I don't think women understand that you, you want to shut down and like exclude that stuff from your life as a. I feel like, as it, it feels like the right thing to do when you're, when you're constantly bombarded by all these horrible words and these feelings and, and treatment by men. It feels like, okay, I'm just gonna shut down, so I don't feel any of that anymore. But the opposite, when women actually take control of it and take charge of it. When you said you were like Most, you were 100% in this for therapeutic reasons. And then also if you could make money of it, great. And I love that. And so as far without getting into specifics and stuff, how has that journey been for you as far as like when you started and you were like, okay, I'm doing this for therapeutic reasons and where you are now, how do you feel? How has that journey been for you? [00:45:16] Speaker D: Yeah, now I'm a little, I don't know, I'm a little scared. I was gonna give you some specifics. [00:45:21] Speaker C: But I mean, I don't get whatever specifics you're comfortable with is what it basically what I mean. [00:45:27] Speaker D: Gotcha. So my upbringing, I think through no and no intention of any family members, was a little bit repressed. I also think that's a character trait that may or may not run in the family. There's no one moment that I can point to that made me pretty uptight and pretty type A just came out that way. And having had some. There was bullying in my teen, teenage years and then I sort of shook myself loose from that and I moved to another country, moved to another continent to sort of get a fresh start and be somebody else. I sort of failed out of being somebody else and became a bookworm again. And part of the upbringing with the sort of repressed and the be proper and the very. In the Anglosphere or in America, the term that comes to mind is WASPy. I came up to society like I was a debutante. And so I sort of failed out of the. We're gonna find a different theme here by which we're gonna live our lives. Very, very academically minded again in college, very, very serious. And I had a very serious two long term relationship where I was intentionally kept small. And I sort of learned, don't do your hair, don't wear makeup. Sort of wear your. Wear your, you know, your sweats and your. And your. Yeah. Turtleneck. All your body parts showing all the way up, please. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:14] Speaker D: And intentionally kept small because the. That other person was also insecure, but sniffed out that I was maybe more insecure. And it got really tough towards the end of that relationship. And I contemplated moving home and I contemplated just maybe again. So sort of. And I don't want to call it giving up on my life in Europe because I actually wanted more than what I had and that's why I came to the US But I did consider giving up and going back home. And as that. That period of my life got really dark and really hard, I met Fred and he saw something in me that I was kicking and screaming, unwilling to see at the time. It's to this. So I struggle taking compliments to this day. I don't think so. That'll take a while for that to change. It's very nice, don't get me wrong. It's been very nice, but it's still like I have to look away and sort of break eye contact. [00:48:21] Speaker C: I feel like Pretty Woman. Right. [00:48:22] Speaker D: Regulate. [00:48:23] Speaker C: Can't take it right. [00:48:24] Speaker D: Regulate my. Regulate my heartbeat. But he busts through that to this day, every day. He loves me so well. And he's such a renaissance man and so kind and a really good son and father. And that's actually why I was also so opposed to a lifestyle thing. Because coming out of that trauma and that person that was just not reliable and finding someone who by all measures, as the first impression is that rock and that safe haven and learning that, hey, I have this kink and probably what you know about it comes from mainstream porn. And so it did. And what I knew about it was it's this poor guy who's unwilling, who's unwilling, who's in the corner and he's just so upset that somebody's doing something to his life partner and why would I want to do that and why would I want to look at you, that I wanted to feel safe with you and I knew that you were such a. Such a decent person and stand up guy and so impressive and why would I want to buy into you being that? And that's actually how we get here, via some extra twists and turns because I decided I'm gonna again, I'm gonna hit the books, I'm gonna be a bookworm and I'm gonna learn about this. I learned about it through your podcast. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Well, thank you. [00:50:03] Speaker C: That's great. No, I love that it's I love the journeys that women take. And it's amazing. I'm freaking excited because if you talk to women in the beginning of their lifestyle journey versus, like a couple years in, the confidence is this like explodes. So it's just like, am I so excited? Except for me. [00:50:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker A: So this has been a wonderful conversation that we've had with our lovely, awesome, out of state couple guests. And before we log off of here, sign off, can you as a couple united, you know, maybe each take a point. Let's talk to some of the couples that are listening to this that are perhaps wanting to potentially jump into the lifestyle, or they're in the lifestyle and they want to jump into content creation and be an evangelist for the lifestyle and the content creation. Be that evangelist, damn it. [00:51:07] Speaker D: Am I going first? [00:51:09] Speaker E: You can go first. [00:51:11] Speaker A: Ladies first. [00:51:13] Speaker D: That's so hard. And I say that having written about exactly that. [00:51:20] Speaker A: She does have a blog. We forgot to mention that. Tell everybody where your blog is at real quick. [00:51:25] Speaker D: That, that, that. Those are such big words. I have one writing on FetLife that did fairly well. I am also afraid of freeze on FetLife. That's spelled the exact same way. Do I struggle through that again or are you going to put it in the show notes? [00:51:40] Speaker A: But I will have you tell everybody about your social media one more time before you log off. [00:51:47] Speaker D: Sure. So I wrote about it more recently because I had a lot of time to kill and had some time to put my thoughts in order and on paper. And the title is something like how my husband gently and ethically introduced me to hot wifing as a rather inexperienced sexual partner. And I wrote down 10 main points that I could think of that made me feel safe and never manipulated, never outmaneuvered, because he truly is. He's so brilliant and he's so good with words that if he wanted to, I'm sure he could. But I would probably sniff that out too. But he never was manipulative. He always was open to answering questions. We have long, long conversations. We go on walks together and. And talk while we. While we have something to do and walking. And so I wrote down those 10 things that helped me a ton. That's not to say that that's going to work for everyone. One of the specific points that I make is that even though it was. I was probably one of the toughest selves there are. There are just some women for whom this is not going to work. [00:52:57] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:52:58] Speaker D: And that is. That is great because. Yeah, because they're living the way that they intend to as well. But I would say it comes down to, and I just alluded to this, we talk so much. We, whether it's about the lifestyle, whether it's about just our marriage, our family, we try to make a habit of checking in and checking in frequently and never letting things, never letting things fester and being open and open, honest and it's so corny. But communication is so important. And if you take this seriously, if you take the college try at this, it's going to make you a better communicator. If you're already in hot water with your relationship, this is not your way to safety. This is not your way out. By no means. And that's also one of the points that I made in that writing. But if you have a good relationship and all of your basic needs are met, you feel safe, there's a roof over your head, you feel safe with your partner, you feel safe in life and you're looking for things that are fulfilling, that are going to add the cherry on top that are more self actualization based, then this may be for you. And the best way to do it is to talk it to the death for us. [00:54:23] Speaker C: I love that. Talk it to death and then talk it to death some more. [00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:27] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. I love that. That's good. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Nice. [00:54:32] Speaker E: I guess I'll. I'll piggyback off of, of what Freya said. I think there are a subset of a different subset of guys who could do with different, slightly different advice. You've got the guys out there who are single and want to be in a hot, wifing, cuckolding relationship. And I think they're. Maybe I'm projecting here, but I think a big problem for them is that that is kind of the big thing they're looking for. They're not really looking for a relationship. They're not looking for another human being to be with that is complex and has other interests, that has unique needs. And so I think a start for them would be to focus more on that meet, you know, someone halfways, so to speak, and, and take an interest in them outside of being kind of a, a kink receptacle. [00:55:29] Speaker C: I love that. I honestly think that is very, that is insanely important and that's not talked about enough because I think that some people miss the part, missed the point. And it's like, yes, these are human beings, they have way more to offer than just this thing. [00:55:47] Speaker E: And exactly. Like if you're gonna have a lot of fun with this stuff, then you need to not just focus on it and not just objectify. Objectification is great. It's spice that adds to, as to sexual tension and having sex. But that being said, if you are a guy who is in a relationship and, and your partner doesn't know that this is an interest of yours, you should probably bring it up sooner than later. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:16] Speaker E: And you should probably find out for yourself. Is this something that is a non negotiable for me? Like I need, I need to be in a relationship with someone who wants to do this and if you're not that person, I need to find out. So be honest to yourself. You're doing yourself a favor and you're doing that person a favor too. Because we only have so many years on this, this earth and we, we want to ideally end up with a lifetime partner and the sooner the better. So let them make sure that they can determine if you're the right partner for them and vice versa. But if, if you do find someone that's, that's all gonna know about it and you're, it's a non negotiable for you. Great, then you know, problem solved for you. But love it if it's, if it's not, I'd say ideally enough if you are, if you're single, hopefully it's not a non negotiable. At least in my case it wasn't. It was a want, not a need. And sometimes it was something I really wanted, but it never got to the point where it was something that I, I needed. And I think having a relationship is just a lot deeper than kind of the fantasies of a single guy about this. [00:57:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:30] Speaker E: Especially kind of influenced by mainstream porn. But yeah, if, if you are in a relationship, dispel a lot of, a lot of the common concerns, you know, like you're not doing this as a back door to get to, to have sex with, with other people yourself by saying, well, I let you do it, now it's my turn. [00:57:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:53] Speaker E: Don't let them feel like you're doing this because you don't really value them as a person. That can certainly be an objection that a lot of, a lot of female partners can have. But also obviously apart from dispelling these concerns, you need to make sure that you actually feel that way. Like you're, that you aren't doing this to, to have sex with someone else yourself or that, you know, you're just objectifying them and you don't view them as you. [00:58:21] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. And so basically guys, ladies that are listening to this, it all comes down to the basis of having open communication. So regardless of what response you think that you may or may not get from your partner, just have open communication. Right? Absolutely Right. And so one more time, Freya, what is your social media? And I'm saying it very, very slowly so that you can get it down. [00:58:55] Speaker D: Yes. [00:58:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:57] Speaker D: Yes. So you guys can find me on Twitter or X. For now, we're probably gonna make a link tree. You guys are gonna have to teach me how to do all that. I went ahead and I reserved the name. It's the same username almost everywhere. For on Twitter, which is my. The platform I use mainly. For now, it's Freya Lefreeze. That's F R E Y a D E V R I E S. Boom. [00:59:25] Speaker E: Nailed it. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Nailed it. Something else is going to get nailed here in a second. Charlie. Freya. All right, that was corny, Doc. Yeah. Oh, and you can reach fun charlie@funchali.com. you can reach doc@docchocolatefans.com so until next time, you guys, y' all be blessed. Never stressed, you guys make love, not war and all that good stuff. Bye, bye, bye. [00:59:53] Speaker B: Thank you for listening to everybody's favorite black man candy, Doc Chocolate of the Bulls and Queens podcast. 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