157 | How to Find a Bull feat Venus Cuckoldress & Fun Charlie

[00:00:01] Speaker A: What's up? What's up? What's up y'? All? It is Doc Chocolate with the bulls and queens. And I got Fun Charlie over here. Say hi. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Hi. [00:00:06] Speaker A: And I have the lovely Venus cacouldres from somewhere up north in Antarctica. Not Antarctica, but the North Pole, right? [00:00:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Way up by Santa Claus. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Ho ho, ho. And today in this show, we are going to talk about how to find a bull. Ladies, do y' all like finding a bull? [00:00:28] Speaker B: Huh? Yeah. [00:00:29] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. Finding a good bull. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Yes, that is the ticket. That's the. Yeah. [00:00:35] Speaker A: Yes, that part is a ticket. So we're going to talk about that and more on this show. So make sure you go to the link that is on this video or in the post. [00:00:48] Speaker B: You are now listening to the Bulls and Queens podcast where we have sexy fun, exploring the lifestyle and swinging exploits of black bulls, queens of spades, cuckold fantasies, open relationships, seductive interracial encounters, and other kinky shenanigans that are sure to get you off in a very good way. So get ready ladies, and make sure you take notes, gentlemen, because here is your host, that super sexy bald black man candy dark chocolate. [00:01:56] Speaker A: So today on this episode, it is Doc chocolates and fun Charlie and Venus. And we are three's company. Okay, I was waiting for a courtesy laugh, but anyways. Hey, Sulky. So what we're going to talk about in today's episode is finding a bull. So there's many of you couples out there, maybe your couples, maybe you're hot wife couples, whatever you want to call yourself. The question and the matter and the search is still the same. You guys are all trying to find bulls such as myself. Am I a bull? [00:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:02:40] Speaker A: I don't have foreigners or like that. Not yet. I do get a little bit horny. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:45] Speaker A: But a little. Maybe a lot. But we're gonna talk about how to find a bull. Some of the issues that some of you couples, even ladies, are going through once you are trying to find a bull. So Venus, let's start off with you. Like what type of adventures have you been through when you have been trying to find a bull in your journey? [00:03:13] Speaker C: It's a never ending struggle. It is the. Probably the mo. One of the most common questions I've. I've had over the last 10 plus years in this lifestyle is how to find the right bull. And. And why is it so hard? So this is what I get. Get ass all the time. I mean all the fucking time. And so I've had, you know, years and years and years to think about it. However, I've also struggled with this myself because I enjoy being in this lifestyle. Even though I've spent a lot of it as a single woman, I still really enjoy my boyfriends in my life. And finding them hasn't always been easy, or finding the right ones hasn't always been easy. So I understand the struggle. I fucking get it. I've been through some of the shit that you all have been through to all of the fucking catfishing, the ghosting, the fucking pictures that don't actually belong to the person. Like, you know, all of that shit, or just fucking complete disasters. So the struggles of frustration is real and I get it and I feel it, and it's. It's been hard. However, I went from living in a really big city for all of my life to this year, or not this year, six months ago, moving pretty far away, and now I live in a much smaller city and holy fuck, the struggle is real and I have had zero success. [00:04:48] Speaker A: So. [00:04:50] Speaker C: So let's talk about it. [00:04:53] Speaker A: He's like, please, let's talk about it. And okay, real quick question, ladies, and either one of y' all can answer this, but why do you think these people, these dudes are out here catfishing and sending pictures that don't belong to them? Because, like, on the opposite side of the spectrum. I get that, right? I'll get pictures of these beautiful, gorgeous ass ladies, right? And you know, they'll say, you know, send me a picture of Venus. Or send me a picture of Charlie. Be like, oh, this is me. And I'm like, that ain't you? [00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah. No, right? [00:05:27] Speaker A: And then. Yeah, and then I'll ask them. I'll say, okay, send me a picture of you holding three fingers by your face. And they disappear. [00:05:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Yes, they fucking disappear because they're catfishing. Why do they do that? [00:05:39] Speaker B: I think. I think those guys, like the. It's just like, they get as much out of you as they can, and then they move on to the next person because they have the fantasy of, like, talking it out and stuff. And, you know, I think a lot [00:05:50] Speaker A: of people fall for it, so they get off on that. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then, you know, once you say, hey, prove that you're a real person, then they're like, ah, crap, it's over. I gotta find another person. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Okay, so. And they do that to you ladies as well. So, like, let's say in Venus's standpoint, right, you know, some guy will send you a picture of some dude that looks like Idris Elba and try and say that that's him. And, like. Like, yeah. I. I don't get it. [00:06:17] Speaker C: I don't. [00:06:18] Speaker B: Does it happen? I don't know if it happens as much to men, the catfishing, as it does for women. I find with bulls more. I get promises that they don't intend to keep or can't keep. Like, oh, I'm gonna do this to you. I'm gonna do that to you. I'm gonna. This is gonna be the most of it. And then they get there. They last two minutes, and then they're gone. And it's like, dude, if you wouldn't have not promised me all that crap, then, you know, this could have been a. Yeah, it's. [00:06:47] Speaker C: I have the most embarrassing story, you guys. [00:06:51] Speaker A: We want to hear it. Greece company, baby. [00:06:54] Speaker C: This is way back in the beginning, before I started podcasting. This is back when I was just blogging, like, way, like a decade ago. And I was naive, okay? You guys, I did not know about this whole issue around, like, catfishing and shit like that. And so I was just not as careful as I should have been. Anyway, I don't even remember where I came across this guy, but he. He was, like, apparently a black guy, and he apparently had his, like, really huge dick, and he sent me pictures, and I was just like, wow. Like, wow. Anyway, him and I were chatting, and he had all sorts of excuses about why he couldn't meet up and whatever. And. Oh, my God. It took three months. Three months until I realized that I was being catfished, you guys. I had no idea. First of all. Oh, my God. Okay. First of all, I saw one of the photos that he had sent me as his own on FetLife, and I was like, wait a minute. That's not yours. And he had, like, cropped out this watermark. So I was like, what the. Oh, my God. What is this? So then I. I googled his phone number because we'd been texting. Oh, my God, you guys. It wasn't even a buck I was talking to. It was the old ass white guy. And when I googled his number, it was like this page showed up, and it was on a church website. Like, this guy. It was his. Like, he was part of some church group. And I was like, what the. I immediately blocked him, but I was just like, whoa. What? Like, I can't believe I. I talked to that guy for three months. Like, I felt like my privacy was violated. I. And I felt so stupid. I was just like, oh, my God. After that, yeah, I learned a few things, but I've still been catfished since then. And you're right, it's about. It's about guys who promise a lot and then can't deliver. Yeah, you're all blurry. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know. It's like, I don't understand that because it's like eventually you are gonna have to meet or. Or say you can't meet. And it's like, so what? The only thing I can think of for that situation is it's the fantasy of. And I think some people get off on just with people like. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Just causing pain, you know, And I [00:09:17] Speaker A: think that's what it is too, because they already know that at the end of the day there needs to be some type of finality. Yeah, right. You know, and they know that they're never going to meet up with you on person, you know, and it's like they just get off on with you. [00:09:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:33] Speaker C: Well, there, there was a. What I find is most common is guys who are dick fishing, so they're catfishing with their dick. So they're using other guys dick pics as their own. And it was really funny because there's a friend of mine who does events and she was organizing a meet and greet and, and she. So I was going through the list of people who are interested in going and two of the guy black guys on her list that were interested in going each had the same dick pic. And I was like, oh, God. Which I bet this doesn't even belong to either one of you. [00:10:15] Speaker B: What are the chances, right? Unless they're a really famous porn star or something. What are you. [00:10:22] Speaker C: But doc, to go back to what you said about like this. Or it might be, maybe it was you, Charlie, about this happening more to women than men. I think it happens a lot on both sides. I think that. But I think it's more malicious when guys get catfished when there's women pretending to be a hot wife. Oh, I'm looking for a cuck, or whatever like that. This is more deceptive. It's more malicious. It's bad intentions. It's usually some scammer who's pretending to be a woman. And I know this because like I got contacted on FetLife by this guy who was like, this is what I do. Like I pretend to be a woman. I scam these guys out of all this money and. But this one really rich guy wants to actually meet in person. Do you, Venus? Do you want to pretend to be this woman that I've been pretending to be? And you'll make all this money. I'm like, are you fine? Serious? So I think there's just a lot of that happening going on too, so. Whereas I find, like, when it's, you know, a bull catfishing, it's just there. It's a. It's probably a white dude, and he's just wanking his wiener to the idea of, oh, I get to be a bull for today. This is really hot. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. [00:11:35] Speaker B: That makes sense. It does. [00:11:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:37] Speaker B: So that's got to be a family. [00:11:39] Speaker A: Okay, so getting back to the. The point of. Or the discussion of how to find a bull. Right. My two cents on it is that obviously it's going to be easier for you ladies, you couples, to find a bull if you live in a metropolitan area, Right. So if you're living in, let's say, New York or Dallas or Houston or Chicago. Mediocre white man. Wow. You. Hey, you had all. You distracted me all types of way, Venus. Okay, so those of you guys who listen to the audio, Venus pulled up her coffee cup and it says, mediocre white man's here. And then I was like, ears? [00:12:29] Speaker B: That is hilarious. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Snk collective dot com. They have the best shirts and the best mugs. [00:12:37] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, man. Okay, look, maybe forget what I was talking about. So big cities, big cities, big cities. Okay, so when you live in big cities, you can probably find big black dicks. Big cities, big dicks. Right. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:51] Speaker C: The odds are better. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah, odds are better. Right. But if you're living in, let's say, areas that are a little bit scarce in the black gold resources, like Utah or Idaho, the whitest of white places, the northwestern parts of the US or, you know, Canada. You know, it's kind of rough, right? [00:13:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:16] Speaker A: So the question is, like, what do you do? Endless brainstorm this, right. So my take and you ladies can jump in. I already have some ideas, but I want to hear from you ladies. [00:13:27] Speaker B: Oh, I thought you were gonna. [00:13:29] Speaker A: Okay your ladies, [00:13:31] Speaker B: Venus, you've done. You've done this for longer. You go, you start. I'll like. I'll add if I have anything. I'm not sure I have much. [00:13:40] Speaker C: Yeah, the. The problem with finding. Trying to find somebody in a smaller location, a smaller place for. The problem for a lot of people is discretion. Like, they do not want to bump into someone that they know or someone who they don't know but is connected to people they know. [00:13:56] Speaker B: So. [00:13:56] Speaker C: So the possibility of getting outed is pretty high. This is a big fear factor for so many couples out there. And I get it. Like, I completely understand why this would be a deal breaker. And for, for, for those couples, honestly it's just a matter for many of them it's just a matter of okay, well we're just going to go to a different city or town for the weekend and find somebody there. And that's the, makes it safer. They're probably not going to bump into somebody that they know. But it's not always convenient and it's not something you can always make happen on the regular for a lot of people. So alternatively you're stuck with no other option but to look locally. And the dating apps completely suck ass. Like, they're just horrible. I have had very little luck with FetLife and there's dating apps like Field, which can be helpful because it's for people who are open minded and kinky. But I will tell you from the female perspective being on those apps, on that app anyway you, there are tons of guys on that app who are just looking for pussy. They're not actually kinky even though they're like, oh, I'm down for whatever. Yeah, super open minded. But you know, whatever you want, just tell me. And it's like, I know, I know you, you just want me to open my legs. That's all it is. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Like whatever they can tell you to. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. [00:15:26] Speaker C: So yeah, you can find some guys for sex on there. Are you going to be able to find a bull, the kind of bull that you're looking for? Probably not, but it is more likely that you're going to find somebody open minded there. And then there's the issue of like, okay, well do you put your picture on your profile? A lot of couples will just put like a picture of the two of them with that's just like shoulders down and so people can get an idea of your body type and that's cool, that's fine. But eventually at some point you're going to have to show them what you look like. You can't be so scared about being outed that you, you can't move forward to meet up with this person. So yeah, so the dating app suck fet. Life sucks. Like it all fucking sucks. Take it from me, it sucks. There's, I have no great options for you there. People contact me all the time and they're like, well, you have a matchmaking service for cuckolding. Why don't you have one for couples and bulls? I'm like, that would be so hard because you have to, in order for it to be successful, you'd have to Have a gazillion people signed up everywhere in North America and you just wouldn't be able to even like there's that Chirp app which is for guys who are looking for an flr. Great app. But there, the biggest complaint is that there's nobody locally. It's like you can't have a successful matchmaking anything unless you have like a whole bunch of people around you. And to do that you need tons of people signing up, which in this little niche of a fucking lifestyle is probably not going to happen. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Hey there, cucks, stags and ladies, do you want to meet up with me, Doc Chocolate and have a sexy experience of your life for your hot wife? Now if you answered yes, then you must check out Doc Chocolate's hot wife training day@hotwifetrainingday.com. now if you've ever seen one of my sexy videos that I've recorded with hot wives, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. What's going to happen is your wife is going to get wine and dine by me. There's going to be heavy sexy flirting. There's going to be an aromatherapeutic experience with me in a very low lit sensual environment with soft music playing in the background while your hot wife gets a world famous dark chocolate, skin to skin body glide with coconut oil and more. And this is going to be the experience of a lifetime for you wives out there as you go through your journey of finding your true sluttiness with Doc Chocolate. Want to find out more details? And you get your reservation with me. Then go now to hotwhite training day.com to get started. Now back to the episode. Okay, and that's a good point. Right. And so my contention, and I know we've discussed this before in the past is if you what if you want something good, you have to import it into you. Yeah, right. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Yes. [00:18:33] Speaker A: And so, and I mean you will think that it's a simple solution, but there's. Well, yeah, well it's harder than it sounds. But I feel like the issue with that is because a lot of couples or even ladies are like, oh well, I'm not gonna pay to fly, fly this down here, you know, but the thing is like men have been doing it for ages. You know, like how many times have you heard of like, you know, Russian, you know, mail order brides or Asian brides or whatnot? Right? Yeah, I'm a single dude and you know, like, like let's say I live in the middle of nowhere. If I Want to, you know, hot with a woman, you know, hey, maybe I go order a bride. [00:19:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Even though that can, but whatever, you know, but you're talking about you want some black dick and you want some VIP black dick, you want some quality dick, you want some dick that you know is going to get hard and it's not going to go limp and you want a good looking dude and you want a guy that's a gentleman in, you know, you're probably not going to find it in Walla Walla, Washington, you know, so if you're, if you're really adamant about finding it and you don't want some like hood dude off the street that's missing some teeth, you may need to buy this dude a ticket to fly out there. You may need to buy him a hotel room and do something in order to get what you want. It's in called equal exchange. That's called economics. Supply and demand. [00:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm a big fan of importing the chocolate and up until now it's, there's no tariffs on it, so we're good. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Nice. [00:20:03] Speaker A: That was basically her way of saying Trump. We're not getting political though. [00:20:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, for right now. I mean, I in the past have gone to the US to my favorite bullfriends and I have enjoyed that because it's a fun, you know, weekend away. It's a nice little trip. I get to see my favorite guys and it's just great. But I don't know if anybody's noticed or not, but us polite, friendly, little lovely Canadians have been boycotting our travel to the US and myself included. So I have not been to the US for a hot minute and I miss my chocolate. So I have been, you know, importing the chocolate to Canada and that's been great. I did that a few months ago with Mo from San Diego and enjoyed a whole fucking weekend with him. And oh my God, it was fucking amazing. And that was in Vancouver. So I'm a big fan. And yes, absolutely you should be doing that. If you have somebody who, you know, you're comfortable with or you, you have a pretty good idea that you're going to be comfortable with. For all the cucks who are listening to, to this right now, for all the husbands, buy the fucking ticket, okay? Do it. Better yet, pay for everything for the bull to come. Okay. For everything. Give him a fat ass tip too because I mean like he's, he's going to dick her down so good and you're just going to fucking have the best cuck life you could possibly imagine, like, fucking go for it. Yeah, that's how I feel about that. [00:21:35] Speaker B: I agree. And, and something that I've learned since I've been with you and, and in content creation in general, I think, I think we get a little spoiled because if you're in a swinger and you're in the lifestyle and stuff, if you. Basically, there are so many single guys in the life in swinging lifestyle that if you're like, hey, this lady needs to get. There's 10 guys there ready to do it. But if you are a, A couple or a single woman looking for a bull, a good bull, you there, they have so much pussy available to them. You cannot just dangle pussy. You can't just go, hi, my wife needs to get. I should have like 20 guys wanting to fuck her even if she's hot. They have all these ladies all around. It's like. And it's becoming more and more popular. So it's. They're get. They're in more and more demand. So you have to at least make their efforts, especially if you find a good one. You have to make their efforts worth it. You have to make, you know, and you just can't imagine. I just can't. You just can't expect them to show up and do all of this amazing stuff to your wife and then just go home, you know, it's like, make it worth their while. [00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:22:52] Speaker B: The good ones. [00:22:53] Speaker A: Well, and I mean, people will hit me up, right? You know, so maybe they see a little bit of my porn and whatnot. And, you know, I'm as lovely as your wife may look. You know, I'm not going to go in there and her in 15 different ways and pick her up over my head and throw her around and spin her around like she's a pizza and like that. And like, you're not going to compensate me, you know, I'm going to go out of my way. I don't, I don't need to, you know, and I've had this experience where people would hit me up on Twitter, Twitter, dms. And they want, let's say, a gang bang set up for them, right? And so one guy, you know, he said, I want five black guys, you know, five muscular black studs. Okay, I can do that. You know, I have like a nice store of nice little catalog. Catalog. It's like a Sears Roy company catalog. And. And he's like, okay, I love this. And that's happened. This and that's happened, right? And I'm like, we can do that. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:58] Speaker A: And then. Okay, price tag, I can't do that. That's. I mean, and I'm like, hey, look, it's okay if you don't have the money. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I have the money. It would just be like, like beneath us to pay that amount of money to do that. Like, we're visiting Vegas. My wife is gorgeous. I could just go to a bar and pick up people. [00:24:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:25] Speaker A: And I'm like, bitch, get real. That's not gonna fucking happen. Like, okay, so let's go over the logistics of this. Right? And I, and I was breaking it down for him in a very, very simple manner because he was a simpleton. [00:24:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:37] Speaker A: Yeah, Right. I'm like, okay, you and your wife could go out there and maybe find one guy that's good looking. Okay. Matter of fact, your wife by herself, she could go out there to the bar and she was a good looking woman, you know. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:50] Speaker A: She'll pick up guys, you know, but just her and that guy, not you involved in the room, stroking your, on the chair, looking at them. [00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:58] Speaker A: You know that, that dude's gonna be like, no, this is some weird shit. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. But okay, Maybe there's a 50, 50 chance that the dude is into that. Kinky. Okay. But you're not gonna find three, four dudes that look good, that are muscular, that can get their dicks hard, that can do all types of circus maneuvers with your wife and do that shit for free. I was like, good luck with that. And I said, hey, you tell me how that works. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker A: You know, matter of fact, I think the couple were coming from Canada. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And then they, they decided to decline. And then they hit, he hit him up again on the day they were here, thinking he wouldn't have. He. Yeah, it's like, no now. [00:25:33] Speaker A: And I said, now it's triple the [00:25:34] Speaker B: price, like being ridiculous. So it's like. [00:25:38] Speaker A: And I want the money up front too. [00:25:39] Speaker B: It's insane. [00:25:40] Speaker A: You know? [00:25:40] Speaker C: Yes, I, I know. I've. I know we've talked about this before, doc, but like, I really do feel strongly about this, that it's, it's unfortunate that in this lifestyle there is this everything related around the fantasy of it. The facilitation of making this all happen for real is built on the idea that this is just something that will naturally magically just happen. Because it is, it's. It's how it is in his fantasies that he's been thinking about for 10 or 20 years that is just magically going to happen. I mean, think about all the porn scripts that make this seem like it naturally happens. Like, oh, the wife is just walking down the street and she just bumps into this group of black guys and she's like, hey, you want to come over? And they're like, yeah, let's do this. You know, it's just like. It's just so magically fucking. Oh. Just all of a sudden, oh, it just. It just happened. And like. Yeah. And so we. Unfortunately, the fantasy around cuckolding is built around the whole idea that this is just. There's no planning involved or hardly any, and that it's just going to be this random stranger and he's just gonna love it so much and she's just gonna be like 10 orgasms deep and it's just gonna be like the wildest thing that they ever experienced. Experienced. Meanwhile, for real. And this is. Goes back to the reason why people have been bombarding me with this question about how to find right. The right bull for the last 10 years is that you're gonna have to sift through, wade through a sea of in order to find one maybe good guy. And then something will happen and you're back to square one. And you're like, holy. We gotta look again. We gotta deal with all these fakes, flakes, losers and catfishers and dudes that are just not who they say they're going to be a whatever. And they're frustrated as. And they're almost to the point where like, this is just. We got. We want to give up. Like, we don't want. We don't want to do. This is not fun. Like, trying to find a guy is not fun. And then there's me and Doc screaming out there like, just pay for it. Make it happen the right way how you want it. And I say, this is about hiring someone to facilitate your fantasy. This. What the fuck? [00:28:12] Speaker A: Venus's pussy just fit. [00:28:15] Speaker C: She's getting excited. [00:28:17] Speaker A: It's her pussycat, by the way, not her vagina. [00:28:21] Speaker C: But I. I feel like this is somebody to facilitate your fucking fantasy. If there was something important to spend money on, this is fucking it. Because how many times have we thought about like, okay, she's agreed to do this this one time. She's like, I will try. I will try it. Okay? And so it better be. What she wants is better be a good experience. Otherwise hub hubby knows, like, this will never happen again. Like, it's one and only chance. Why are you relying on some random stranger from the Internet who just wants as a reward? Why are you Taking that kind of risk with some dude who doesn't give a. Who's just like, this shit's kind of weird, but I just want to get my dick wet, you know? [00:29:10] Speaker B: No plan for an. Multiple hours of. Of fantasy. He has no plan. [00:29:15] Speaker C: No. No clue. [00:29:17] Speaker B: And you're. If he'll get it, be able to get it up with another guy in the room. And you're even luckier if he can do it for more than five minutes with another guy in the room. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:29:26] Speaker C: And likely he's gonna be nervous as hell. And. And she's gonna be nervous and the sex gonna be shit because they're both fucking nervous. And like, do you really want that to be the way it goes down? I hate to be a boner killer right now to all the dudes listening, but, like, come on. Really, it is. [00:29:42] Speaker B: It's crazy. It's crazy. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And the thing is. Okay, back to something that you said. You have one chance, right? Because for 90% of these guys out here, these couples, you know. Yeah. They talk to their wife and the wife is like, okay, yeah, I do want to do this, but I'm very, very apprehensive because the woman is always more apprehensive than the guy. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:06] Speaker A: You know, the guy is the one who's always setting it up, you know, at least with me. And so the woman is apprehensive, but she's like, okay, okay, Frank. Okay, let's do this. But it better be a damn good time, right? [00:30:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:17] Speaker A: So you got one time, and you fuck up that one time by putting it to chance. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:23] Speaker A: That makes no damn sense whatsoever to me. Pardon the interruption. If you're a cuckold gentleman, a stag, a voyeur, or maybe you're just a woman that likes to watch amateur BBC porn. If you are, I got a question to ask you. Do you want to follow Doc Chocolate's sexy ass adventures in playtime that I have with the most gorgeous hot wives, queens of spades, and milfs out there? Now, if you answered yes, then you want to go ahead and pause this episode right now and go to my website at bulls and queens.com and subscribe to my free only fans page. So that's going to be at Bulls and queens dot com. Bulls and Queens dot com and click that button that says only fans. 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And if he was, I'm sure it was not the best experience because I know I haven't had a gang bang yet. Okay. We all know this. I'm waiting for my wedding night if I ever get married. But like, five years, long time. Okay. It's been a minute. But anyway, I know that if and when I do do that, I want five guys who I am very comfortable with. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:52] Speaker C: I do not want some fucking random dudes who just signed up to get their dick wet. Like, no thanks. Like, I want it to be memorable. I want to really enjoy myself and I want these guys to enjoy themselves too. I want them to be comfortable with each other and with me. I want this to be a special experience, not just some. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. Yes. [00:33:16] Speaker B: That's why I haven't had one either. It's like I, I it there. It's. [00:33:20] Speaker A: It. [00:33:21] Speaker B: I don't want to just go in and have like, five randos, you know, that I don't know. And it's just like one party and comes everywhere. It's like, that's, that's it. That's part of it. But it's. That's not. I want guys that I'm comfortable with that I know. So we can all have fun. [00:33:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:38] Speaker B: And it's not just them. Me and you know. Yeah. I totally get that. [00:33:42] Speaker C: Have I ever told you this story about way back when, like a long time ago, I was myself and my best friend, my girlfriend, we signed up through a Craigslist ad. Okay. Okay. That. [00:33:57] Speaker A: Oh, shoot. Back at the Craigslist. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Oh, love that. I, I had so much fun on there. Anyway, it was dangerous as, but still so it was an ad because it was a. A husband who was trying to fulfill his wife's fantasy. Okay? Her fantasy was that she wanted to be blindfolded and lay it on a hotel room bed and have a group of other women come and just use her body, just have fun, like, just. Okay, so this was her fantasy. He wanted to facilitate this for her. And so they put this ad out. And when I. There was probably about 10 women who were there, my, Myself and my girlfriend included. And the way that they did was they rented out this beautiful hotel room that had, you know, two rooms. So he was in the other room just to be there but not be there, you know, and. But we all met in the lobby of the bar, and it was this woman, and I don't remember her name, who was the facilitator. And she. It was not the wife. It was just this woman. And so she kind of hung out with us, told us, like, what to expect and stuff like that. And we all had a drink together, and then we went up to the room together and she kind of got things started for everybody so to, you know, get things moving with the play and stuff like that. And it wasn't until after when somebody mentioned, oh, I think she was actually paid to do, like, to do that. And I realized, oh, yeah, she probably was. And so that. How smart of them to say, okay, we have this fantasy. We want to facilitate it, but we want somebody who's really going to make this work and happen and be cohesive and, like, comfortable and everybody and flowing and like, all the good things, but also someone to be there to make sure that they get what they want in this fantasy. And I was like, that's fucking really smart. Why the fuck do we not do this with cuckolding? We have. [00:35:51] Speaker A: We have, you know, like, we coordinate, you know, but obviously, you know, it's like, hey, hit up Doc Chocolate and he'll coordinate that shit. But it's because, like, when you've done it before, you kind of know the good, the bad and the ugly, right? So when it comes to gang bangs, I. I know the good, the bad, the ugly. When it comes to orgies, I know the good, the bad, the ugly. You know, the more people, the more issues and variables are at play and the more bullshit can happen. So, like, it was good that that guy had, like, you know, paid that lady to coordinate that, because it's like, number one, she has to get, like, these 10 women who don't know each other. I mean, obviously you and your friend knew Each other. But you know, she has to get you guys to, you know, mesh. [00:36:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:38] Speaker A: And then get you guys comfortable, get that rapport built up and then tell you guys, hey, this is XYZ abc. That's going to happen. And she's basically the, the quarterback. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:49] Speaker A: You know, saying, hey, do this and do that. And at the end of the day, the wife, she had her fantasy fulfilled. Husband, because his wife had her fantasy fulfilled, got his fantasy fulfilled. You ladies had a fun time, you know, and everything went good. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I love that. [00:37:10] Speaker C: I mean, it's, it's such a fucking smart investment. Like, I don't know why people frown on the idea of this. I really don't. But the other thing that I did want to mention, other than just fucking hire someone to facilitate this fucking fantasy come true for you, which is just fucking do it, is referrals from other women, from other couples as being a really great thing. But I mean, you're. If you live in a small town, you're probably not going to get referrals of anybody local. Like, but I mean you, if you do know other couples who are local to you or you have a way of finding out if there are any other couples, like Fetlife has local kinky groups that you can go and talk to people there. You can do that. Find other people in your area and they're, they're, they've done the work too. They've filtered through the fuckers. They know who's legit, who's not. Like, save yourself some headache and get referrals from other people in your area. And if you can't find referrals from other people in your area, then it could be just a matter of getting referrals for somebody who's far away. But you make a plan like, hey, in six months we're gonna fucking do this amazing weekend out in some other city together and we're gonna do this. And in that time it's just gonna be. You're gonna tease the fuck out of your cuck and just be like, look, is on the calendar. We're doing this and he'll love it. Okay. [00:38:40] Speaker A: Better love it, right? [00:38:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Have you. I've only been on one dating site and I actually, I guess I technically did find a bull because that was the guy who brought me into the lifestyle. But have you ever tried OkCupid? I don't know if it's the same as it used to be, but it's very non monogamous centered. I don't know if it would be the best for a couple necessarily. But it could be, it could work that way. But it's, it, it's geared around like questions, questions you. That are asked and answered and the other person can't see your answers unless they answer the same questions. And the way I found this person was we very much had the same idea about sex that basically we there. There are some really seriously focused sex questions. So we, we matched on sex and the fact that, you know, we wanted to have fun or whatever, but we also wanted this and this. But it was probably the best, most focused thing that I have come across that. But I don't know if it's still set up the same. But it was really good. And there's a lot of lifestyle and non monogamous people on there too. [00:40:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that you can use any of the dating apps, any of the dating sites to be able to look for a bull. I mean there's nothing stopping you from doing that unless they have. Unless like some crazy weird Christian website or something. I don't know. But you can. And I have, I have used, I used Tinder for a long time and I was able at time to find some guys but it was few and far between and the most of the guys, if not all of them had no idea about the lifestyle. So you're really working from a place of. Okay, no, I'm going to have to really like teach this guy about all of this stuff and hope that this time that I spent invested in teaching this guy pans out. [00:40:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:48] Speaker C: Which sometimes yes, sometimes no. [00:40:51] Speaker A: I still remember you and footboy. [00:40:54] Speaker C: Yeah, Footboy. Oh, he was great. Yeah. Footboy came from. He came from FetLife. That was a long time ago. [00:41:01] Speaker A: But yeah, tell, tell Charlie about footboy Football. [00:41:06] Speaker C: Messaged me on FetLife for a year. I ignored every message that he sent me. But he wasn't weird about it and he was not persistent. He was just kind like, can I please just come over and. And rub your feet? Right. He obviously had a foot fetish. And, and yeah, and so he was like 21. He was young as. Okay, I'm not a pervert. Okay. But I mean he's like. [00:41:30] Speaker A: I checked his ID and made sure he was of age, but it was, [00:41:34] Speaker C: it was funny because like he lived, he lived pretty close by. So anyway, so he would come over and. Yeah, I, I love receiving foot worship. I fucking love it. I don't know how women don't like it. I'm just like, this is the. So he did that. But then I taught him to eat like a champ. And so, yeah, I. I always told him, like, you can thank or your. Your future wife will thank me. And so. But he ate ass like a champ. He ate like a champ. He was so good. And I. He really liked when I, like, actually choked him with my feet down his throat. Like, he loved that shit. He was. Yeah, kinky. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Your feet around his neck or in his mouth? [00:42:16] Speaker C: In his mouth until he was, like, gagging. He loved it. He loved it. Yeah. So anyway, that was years. He. That he would come over and I would just, like, lay down in bed. What? Put on a movie and just let him do his thing down there. And it was just great. I loved it. Football. I advocated for everybody to get a football in your life. [00:42:37] Speaker B: Okay, man. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Yeah, football. Football. Unfortunately, at Wolf, fortunately for him, found a girlfriend and I had. I'd not heard from him since. But since I moved to this new city, I did find a new foot boy. But he's got. He's got a new name. It's wizard boy. Okay. Because he's got wizard skills with eating pussy. And I mean it. I was just like, this is not natural. It's not normal. How the fuck do you know all this wizard shit about this? Like. Like, honestly, the best eating skills I have ever, ever encountered in my entire life. And he. It's something else, let me tell you. Is something else. Oh, my God. Okay, first of all, his mouth. As soon as that guy puts his mouth on your. You can tell right away when there's a champ in the room. Like, he is next level. Because you're just like. Your mouth feels like. Like, Like. I don't know the right word. But anyway, you're just like, damn. And then he's. And then he does, like, this, like, combo thing with, like, his fingers and his tongue. And I was just like, ah. What is this? What the is this? It's so good. Oh, my God. And then he just. Yeah, the. But it's extended. So, like, I'm talking, like, you could be down there a long time doing all this amazing. I was just like. I normally don't, like, like, switching stuff up, but this guy has every move just, like, years of. Whoa. What the. How do you even know this? So anyway, okay, we're off topic. [00:44:16] Speaker A: How to find bulls if every girl's best friend is a diamond, wouldn't you agree that every queen of spade or hot wife's best friend is a gang bang? A gang bang is literally every hot wife's fantasy. 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That's bullsandqueens.com gangbang right now and fill out that questionnaire. Spaces are limited each month, so act fast. That's bullsandqueens.com gangbang. Now back to the show. So Wizard Voi was delivering the goods to Dorothy. [00:46:13] Speaker C: It's amazing. [00:46:16] Speaker A: So as she cleans up that pool [00:46:19] Speaker B: of water in her seat, I'm like, [00:46:21] Speaker A: oh, yeah, you too. You too. So do whatever you need to do, guys and couples, ladies, to get the bull that you want for your wife. Because anytime you have a fantasy, sometimes you need to invest to make that fantasy become a reality. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:44] Speaker A: And don't try and get caught up in the oh, we're gonna magically and mystically make this happen by happenstance, because guess what? It's not gonna happen. And find yourself to coordinate this party, whether it's myself or somebody else, you know. Yes. And this is me pitching myself. But anyways, he is very good. [00:47:06] Speaker C: Why, thank you. [00:47:11] Speaker A: So unless, and I'll say this, you know, if somebody even like Venus, she says that she will fly guys into her, you know, she's a beautiful woman, and even her, she's not like, oh, I'm not gonna pay to whatever. I'm not gonna not pay somebody. You know, she will pay to get quality into her. So we'll just leave it at my [00:47:31] Speaker C: pussy gets what my pussy wants. Okay. [00:47:36] Speaker A: And she's not talking about the cat. [00:47:37] Speaker B: No. [00:47:39] Speaker A: So let's talk real quick about rejection. So let's flip the script a little bit and talk about rejection and how to properly reject somebody. [00:47:48] Speaker C: This does tie into finding a bull, because sometimes you think you found a good one and then for whatever reason, you have to break it off and deliver the bad news that this is not going to go any further than today. And so this I have struggled with over the years. I'm sure you guys have struggled with it as well. I also have to. I've had to many times reject single cucks who have wanted to date me. So it's not been pleasant at all. Nah, no, no. Mostly shit. Yeah. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Avoid it like the plague if I can. But also, I think women are a little shy about it because we have had so many guys act very badly when we reject. So it's like we're already, like, triggered. Like, oh, is this going to be good? It's going to be bad. Is it going to get violent? Is it going to get upset? Or, you know, so there are those things that. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And, and. And that's actually something I never even realized. I think it was you, Venus. Like, a few years ago, you kind of brought that to my attention. How. [00:48:54] Speaker B: How bad it is. [00:48:55] Speaker A: How bad it is and how you're like, you know, somebody may kill me in an event or this and that. And, you know, that's when you had the purple hair. You're like, somebody may see, say, who's that little purple hair girl? That's Venus. I'm gonna go kill her. Right. And at first, I remember at first, like, when you said that, initially I thought that maybe you were going overboard on it. And then, like, as we started discussing it more, I was like, this is accurate. This makes sense. And I talked to many other women, you know, since then, and, you know, even you, Charlie. Charlie, you'll say, hey. She'll tell me about something that happened in the past. Like, I was walking down the street, it was kind of dark. It was a van with some dudes in it. And I was like, this is gonna be the day that I die. You know? Yeah. And so for you ladies, you obviously have to take a lot of precautions to make sure. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:41] Speaker A: That your safety. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Is because guys just. You think men asking ladies out on a regular basis would be more used to rejection, but, man, they. It's ugly. So. Yeah. You're doing it. I mean. Yeah. I don't know how a couple does it necessarily. Especially if you've already played with them and. Or created a relationship with them already. Kind of. [00:50:08] Speaker A: So, yeah, I would say with us, man, just keep it very concise. Right. So if it's something where you can just like, ignore and a person just kind of goes on along his way. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Okay. Maybe that's gonna Be the best solution, even though it kind of sucks. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Not ghost necessarily, but sometimes you do stop drop off communication. Yeah. [00:50:31] Speaker A: You know, sometimes you need a ghost or sometimes you need to say, ah, well, you know, make an excuse. But like, if it's something where you. It's not really feasible to ghost or drop off the conversation. Just be very concise, you know, and just be thankful, you know, hey, Billy, you know, hey, it's a great time, you know, you're a great guy. But I. It's not going to work for me. [00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:53] Speaker A: And then, you know, and then that's it. And you just leave it at that. [00:50:57] Speaker B: It's not a good fit. [00:50:58] Speaker A: It's not a good fit. You know, you're a great guy, fabulous guy. You know, you don't say anything disrespectful to him or anything that will minimize him and then you just leave it at that, you know, and then, you know, if he acts crazy or whatever, you just space yourself away from that situation. Block as need be, you know. But I mean, there's no one good way to do it, in my opinion. [00:51:20] Speaker B: I think it's on a case for case. [00:51:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Yeah, it just happened to me yesterday. Yesterday. So usually on. Okay. On FetLife, on my profile it says I get so many messages on here. I reply to very few of them. I know. Just know straight up that if you message me, I'm probably not going to re. You're not going to get a response. I still get a gazillion messages on there regardless. And I, I get these guys who are like, they'll send me a message. Can we talk? I just really want to talk to you. I just really want to ask you some questions. I just really want to talk. Please, please, please, please. Okay. And it's not just one, but like, they'll send like one every day for a week and then every week and then it just. You're just like, what? I'm. I'm answering you like, I don't want [00:52:08] Speaker B: to talk to you. [00:52:09] Speaker C: Right. That's usually what I do as. I just do not respond to anybody on there. And for guys who are listening, but they're like, they're like, well, why not? He just wants to talk to you. And it's like I get 50,000 guys who just want to talk to me. And I realized about 10 years ago that I would need a full time job just responding to these guys. And all they really want is a therapist. You know, they want a fantasy vomit. They want to ask you for advice. They. They Basically want to just suck your entire time out of your day. And I know that sounds mean, but like that is, that's. It's a one way street really. I'm not getting a lot from that. [00:52:49] Speaker A: But don't you have a. Hey, chat with me and X amount of dollars? Because it's the same thing that we're talking about with black guys. You know, you, it's economics, supply and demand. You know, there's not enough of you or your time. [00:53:01] Speaker C: So it's like, hey, that didn't help me. Yeah, that DISCLAIMER that's on FetLife, it says right underneath there, if you want to book a private chat with me, here's the light, the link. So if you really wanted to, you could. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:16] Speaker C: You have my full attention. I will. You know all of that. Okay. You still can't fantasy vomit on me. But, but there's. So, there's that option. But anyway, so I usually just ignore. But yesterday this guy had sent me like, I don't know so many. He was saying, pretty please talk to me. Pretty please, please, please, please talk to me. Talk to me. And I, I was just like it, I'm just gonna say no. So I just sent a message back and I said, no, thank you. Because I'm put, I'm polite, I'm Canadian. We say no thank you. No, thank you. Really. No would have been enough. But, but when you, when you reject somebody, some, a lot of the times there, what, what, how they respond is. But why, but why? Why? Tell me the reason why. And this guy said it in this way of like, tell me the reason why you don't want to talk to me so that next time I message someone, I'll be more successful. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Oh. So he was doing it in a genuine manner where he wanted to learn [00:54:19] Speaker C: why does it matter why? I literally just said fucking no. Like layer no. Like, I don't owe you an explanation. I don't need to try to help you with anything. I, it's, it's just a no. It's a no. But then, then I just said, I said no. I said no. That's all I said. And, but why? And then he started to get really mad and really offended. Well, why not? I, I'm a nice guy is what he said. I'm a nice guy. And I was just like, oh, you're not accepting. No. Like, what the. So anyway, yeah, so anyway, I just said I don't want to. That's all. That's all. That's, that's the only reason that you need. And I shouldn't even have had to say it three times. And then he just went off on me and said all sorts of mean, nasty things. And I don't care. There might be some people listening right now who think, yeah, you should have been nice to him. I don't owe you fuck all. I owe you nothing. I owe you none of my time. I owe you no explanation. A no should be just a no. Silence is a no. She doesn't respond to you. That is a no. Move the fuck on. But anyway, so it is not a safe place out there for rejection. I have had. And even when you. When, okay, so you're talking with somebody. Let's say you're trying to find a bull or whatever online, and you've been talking. You don't know what they look like because nobody wants to share a face picture, right? And then you get to the point where you share a picture. Oh, you've already invested so much time in this person, and then you realize, like, oh, shit. Like, there's zero physical attraction here. Or you ask for a dick pic and you're like, that's like a micro penis. Like, I don't know. What do you do? Because as a woman, if you say something like the truth, then you could [00:56:12] Speaker B: be, oh, yeah, you don't say the truth for that. [00:56:15] Speaker C: That is dangerous. That guy can absolutely flip the out on you. [00:56:20] Speaker A: You can't tell a guy that his dick is too little. [00:56:21] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. Or it's a weird shake or something. [00:56:25] Speaker C: It's dangerous. [00:56:27] Speaker B: And handle it. [00:56:28] Speaker C: It's really, really dangerous. And so. And so what do you do in that situation? One time, literally one time where this guy was, like, pursuing me, and I was like, oh, I got the ick over his picture. I was like, oh. And then. And then you're like, oh, so this. This one time, I was like, I'm just gonna tell him. I'm just gonna be nice about it. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:50] Speaker C: And all I said was like, I'm really sorry, but I don't think that there's just. There's just not enough physical attraction for me to continue with you. And he refused to accept that. He. And I'm. I was like, this guy looked like a troll. Okay? I was like, this was probably like, ten years ago when. When I this happened, but I was like, you look like a troll. Like, surely, you know. [00:57:16] Speaker A: You know, you didn't tell him he looked like a troll. [00:57:20] Speaker C: I didn't. But when I said there's not enough physical attraction, he was. He Refused to accept it. He goes, I know you're not telling me that I'm unattractive. And I was like, what? And then he was just like, would not accept it and was like, hassling me. And. And then called me a fucking bitch. And I was like, oh, my God, just go. Just go. So you can't. So you can't. As a woman, you can't even say something nicely to reject somebody without the danger of somebody actually just, like, flipping out on you. [00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So just my personal opinion is okay with me. I'm chill, right. So if I reach out to somebody, let's say to shoot with them, play with them, whatever, I made two tries, right? And then if I get, you know, let's say silence, or if I don't get the type of energy that I want out of it, if there's like no low energy, or if it's like, oh, yeah, you know, maybe about six months or whatever. Second time, I consider that as a no. [00:58:26] Speaker C: Right. [00:58:26] Speaker A: And you will never hear from me again. You know, now if I see you out and about, you know, I'll be very polite and nice and, hey, how you doing, girl? But, you know, I'm gonna give you a church hug and I'm gonna move on to the next woman, you know, because I don't have scarcity in my mindset. Right. And I tell that to other people as well, you know? You know, even ladies reaching out, you know, don't. Don't go after a guy just because you have a. Doesn't mean the guy needs to you. You know, but, like, with you ladies, don't engage past that first response back. So if you tell the guy, yeah, you know, great guy, You're a great guy. But, you know, I don't think there's enough physical attraction. And if he asks, but why ignore. [00:59:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's what I usually do. [00:59:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And if he continues to, like, pester block. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or mute or whatever you have to do. But I don't owe you an explanation. And the fact that you're asking. Nothing I can say is going to make your day better. [00:59:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Like, nothing I can say is going to give you good feelings. You're just going to get pissed off or hurt and then pissed off and then violent or whatever. [00:59:34] Speaker A: Because if you say, sir, you look like a troll living under the bridge. [00:59:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:39] Speaker A: You know, nothing good is going to [00:59:40] Speaker B: happen out of that. Nothing doesn't go over well. [00:59:42] Speaker A: Nothing good. [00:59:43] Speaker B: But. And it's interesting because it's like, I. I hate when they don't send their. If they don't have face pics or body pics or whatever and they don't send that immediately with their hi, I saw your profile then. Because if you're not given all the information up front, it is so hard to then ask them for their Facebook and then have to say, you have [01:00:05] Speaker C: to rewind and just be like. [01:00:08] Speaker B: And like, yeah, so you can't get in very far and you can't be too excited unless they send you stuff because otherwise you're going to have to then go, oh, shit. The only reason I'm not wanting to do stuff now is obvious that his, his face is not great or, you know, you're not into it. And we have one friend that's, that's in content and he's, he's playing around with different ways to reject. And I think one of the things is he said, I, I can see that you are attractive. You're just. I, you're just not my taste or something. And I'm like, do you get bad reactions that he sometimes still gets better? I'm like, I don't think you could even say that. [01:00:49] Speaker A: He said, yeah, he does. He said half the time he does get bad. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I just, like, I don't know if I could say that. Like, I, I see that you're handsome, but you're not. You're not handsome enough for me. I don't know, like. Or you're not my kind of handsome or. Yeah, I don't know. [01:01:01] Speaker A: You have a face that only a mother could. [01:01:05] Speaker C: Okay, let me ask this doc. Have you been rejected? Have you been rejected? Okay. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:11] Speaker C: So, so was, was there, can you give it, like, was there a good way to received that or have you [01:01:19] Speaker B: been actually rejected or has it all been like ghosting or less than. [01:01:24] Speaker A: Yeah, so like, I've never been dissed. Like, I think the last time I was like, actually like, like they, they, they talked about me was like junior high maybe. But like as an adult, you know, you know, after, you know, marriage and in the lifestyle and in concentration, usually what I count as rejection is if I reach out to you and like, let's say you are willing to commit to making plans. I take that as a friendly note and I'm not going to bug you [01:02:02] Speaker B: or less enthusiastic, like, correct. [01:02:05] Speaker A: I would say the most. The thing that I can remember is there's this lady and I basically, I think I got butt hurt because like I was offering, I'm not gonna lie, I got a little butthurt because I was offering. To do a paid scene with her. Right. So I was gonna pay her to do a scene. She's a porn star. [01:02:29] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. [01:02:30] Speaker A: And she said, no, thank you. [01:02:33] Speaker B: I'll hire her. [01:02:34] Speaker A: No, thank you. [01:02:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:36] Speaker B: Just no, thank you. [01:02:38] Speaker A: And so I'm going through her feed and, you know, like, you know, I'm all full of ego. I'm like, well, I look better than that dude. This dude. My dick's way bigger than his dick. And, like, how would she say no to me? And I'm gonna pay her. [01:02:52] Speaker C: Doc got triggered. Doc got triggered. [01:02:54] Speaker A: I didn't say that because, like, that's like, total, like, beta energy right there that makes me look like a little bitch. So I'm not gonna, like, lambast her or say anything else or whatever. You know, I just said, thank you very much for the response. Have a great day. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:09] Speaker A: And that was my last chat message with her. [01:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:12] Speaker A: Now internally, I'm going to tell you, like, well, well, her. But I'm not going to say that to her, you know, And I've seen her a few more times at different events, and I haven't said anything because I'm a gentleman. And again, you know, like. Like, what's it going to look for me to be all aggressive to this, like, little chick? She's like a smaller, petite chick. You know, what's gonna look like for me to, like, making her fearful and like that. You know, that's some bullshit. [01:03:42] Speaker B: And you don't know why you were rejected. So don't burn that bridge that br. The you that could. You have no idea why you were rejected? Maybe, like. Because I do know. [01:03:54] Speaker A: She didn't even ask how much I was gonna pay. I was like, I could have been saying, I pay you $10,000 for a seed. [01:04:03] Speaker B: You were right. Like, But okay, so a lot of women in the lifestyle, they are so, so, like, picky. And they want to stick to their type from the very beginning. But then as you play in the lifestyle and you get more comfortable with things and you're like, oh, I'm attracted to way more people than I thought because, you know, my understanding of who I'm into is from when I dated, you know, before my. I was married. So I was sticking to a type, but so they could come back around and go, you know what? We didn't give this guy a good enough, you know, chance or whatever. Or he was, you know, he's actually pretty cute or whatever. Don't burn that bridge, man. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Like, I agree, I agree. Like, things change. [01:04:51] Speaker B: You get. You loosen up. And you. [01:04:53] Speaker C: You. [01:04:54] Speaker B: You want to try other things that you didn't before. [01:04:56] Speaker A: Correct. Correct. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And it doesn't happen that often, but, like, I guess, like, I think she would be the only person where I would respond, no, I'm. [01:05:05] Speaker B: I'm good. [01:05:05] Speaker A: I'm good. I'm good. You know, you're. You're. You're beautiful, but I'm good. [01:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, that hurt too much. [01:05:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody else, Everybody else, like, they can hit me up and I'll say, okay, [01:05:17] Speaker B: oh, that was good. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. But even as a male rejecting woman, it is kind of hard for me because, like, I don't want to be mean either. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:26] Speaker A: You know, and so there's, you know, a certain type of woman that I want to connect with. And if you, you know, you're not really my type, you know, like, I. It. Sometimes it's kind of hard. Right. [01:05:42] Speaker B: And we're friends with all these people too. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah. So a lot of times, you know, I kind of, like, take it on a case by case situation. So sometimes if it's somebody that I don't actually know, I will just kind of like, ignore them or ghost them. If it is somebody that I do know, I may, like, put them off and just say, oh, hey, I'm busy during these days, but, you know, maybe next time, right? And the next time comes and I got to do the same thing again. And then sometimes I will say something to the effect of. Because a lot of times it's people that want to shoot videos with me. Sometimes I'll just say, you know, you're a beautiful woman, but, you know, my market or my brand prefers to see me with this type of woman, you know, so unfortunately, you know, it's not [01:06:34] Speaker C: gonna blame it on the cucks. [01:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. There you go. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Nice. [01:06:43] Speaker C: That's a nice way of. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Of. [01:06:45] Speaker C: Of rejecting someone, though, you know? Yeah, I get it. [01:06:50] Speaker A: So anyways, so I think we have this to death. So we know how to find bulls and we know how to reject properly so that people don't come out trying to kill you. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, [01:07:07] Speaker C: yeah. I think we covered a lot. So hopefully, hopefully we were able to inspire some people to find the right bulls and learn how to reject people in a way that might work better than what they've done in the past. Yeah. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Yes. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Pay for quality dick. [01:07:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Do it right. Right. [01:07:27] Speaker A: Yes. Pay for quality dick. [01:07:29] Speaker B: I mean. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And vagina. So anyways, you guys and ladies that are listening to this to the Venus Cacultres podcast and. And the bulls and Queens Podcast. May you have a very, very exceptional, lovely, wonderful day. Make sure you invest in your fantasies and make sure that they come true and make sure if you are rejected you take it like a alpha male even if you're a cuck and just walk in love and all that good stuff. So until later, y' all have a great day. Bye. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Thank you for listening. Listening to everybody's favorite Black man candy, Doc Chocolate of the Bulls and Queens Podcast. 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