160 | THE SPICY DOMINATRIX Shante Spice and Her KINKY Lifestyle Journey!!

WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.350 --> 00:00:12.129 Doc Chocolate: What's up, what's up, everybody? It is your man, Doc Chocolate, of the Bulls and Queens Lifestyles Show, and on this show, we talk about 2 00:00:12.130 --> 00:00:22.919 Doc Chocolate: content creators, and lifestylers, and those who are a combination of the two. We talk about swinging, we talk about hot wifing, we talk about cuckoldery. 3 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.130 Doc Chocolate: the SAG and Vixen dynamic. 4 00:00:25.130 --> 00:00:37.769 Doc Chocolate: you name it, we claim it, and we're game to talk about it. So, on today's episode, I have a very young lady that… 5 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:52.150 Doc Chocolate: I've gotten to know very, very well in the past year or so, so let me go ahead and give her a proper introduction. Is that okay if I give you a proper introduction? 6 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:53.960 Shante Spice: I think that's allowed. 7 00:00:54.340 --> 00:00:55.330 Doc Chocolate: All right. 8 00:00:55.330 --> 00:00:56.429 Shante Spice: It's your show now. 9 00:00:56.590 --> 00:01:04.979 Doc Chocolate: It's my show, it's my show at all, yeah. And we're going to introduce her after this intro. 10 00:01:09.910 --> 00:01:34.750 Doc Chocolate: Alright, y'all, welcome back! It's Doc Chocolate, and you can make sure you see all my adventures that I have in lifestyle and content by going to Docchocolatefans.com, DocChocolatefans.com. On there, you can see my latest videos. If you want to link up with myself or myself and Charlie in Las Vegas, you can do that as well. 11 00:01:34.750 --> 00:01:42.130 Doc Chocolate: So, pretty much everything that you want, need, you can get it from DocChocolateFans.com. 12 00:01:42.130 --> 00:02:05.109 Doc Chocolate: And also, make sure you leave us a 5-star review on whatever podcast platform that you're listening to this on, alright? So, 5 stars, you guys, whether it's on Apple or Spotify. Very important that you guys do that, because the people that like to leave negative one-star reviews, they come out and they just leave a bunch of one-star reviews, but the people that leave 13 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:27.719 Doc Chocolate: want to leave 5-star reviews, they don't leave them, right? So I'm like, am I that shitty of a podcaster? Show me some love, goddammit! If you listen to me every single week, week in and week out, and you ain't given me a dime the past 3-4 years, you know what? You can pay me back a hundredfold by just leaving a 5-star review on Apple or Spotify. 14 00:02:28.170 --> 00:02:34.450 Doc Chocolate: Now, with that being said, my lovely lady guest, are you ready for that introduction? 15 00:02:34.630 --> 00:02:35.769 Shante Spice: I am. 16 00:02:35.770 --> 00:02:49.029 Doc Chocolate: Alright, beautiful. So, my guest today is a content creator in the hot wife space, mostly in the interracial realm. She loves all things sex. 17 00:02:49.050 --> 00:03:05.040 Doc Chocolate: I like that already. But especially enjoys when there is fun, sensual, and a connected vibe. She's been with her husband for about 18 years, married for 15, and they've been ethically non-monogamous from the very beginning. 18 00:03:05.170 --> 00:03:23.120 Doc Chocolate: She was in the lifestyle long before they even met. She's expanding into the world of dominatrix work, and is finishing up a certification program in sex and intimacy coaching, and is about to make a big-ass move to Las Vegas, Nevada. 19 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:28.420 Doc Chocolate: She's moving to come see me. She wants to see me, like, every week. Of course. Oh, but I like you already. 20 00:03:29.410 --> 00:03:37.649 Doc Chocolate: That's why I fuck with you, guests. So, things are only getting more interesting. From here, her tagline is… 21 00:03:37.830 --> 00:03:46.700 Doc Chocolate: Variety is the spice of life, and she is very much a living proof of that. Welcome to the show, drumroll please! 22 00:03:47.920 --> 00:03:52.510 Doc Chocolate: Mrs. Dante! Spine! 23 00:03:52.510 --> 00:03:58.529 Shante Spice: Howdy, howdy! Women suck at sound effects, so I won't even try that one again. 24 00:03:58.530 --> 00:04:07.760 Doc Chocolate: You know, Shantae, that… that was pretty good for sound effects. I may not even go and, you know, add the drumroll effects to that. I may just… 25 00:04:07.760 --> 00:04:08.480 Shante Spice: People… I mean. 26 00:04:08.480 --> 00:04:10.500 Doc Chocolate: just keep your drum roll fixed. Okay. 27 00:04:10.500 --> 00:04:10.900 Shante Spice: Okay. 28 00:04:10.900 --> 00:04:12.580 Doc Chocolate: So, how you doing today, girl? 29 00:04:12.580 --> 00:04:14.660 Shante Spice: I am doing okay, how are you? 30 00:04:14.660 --> 00:04:16.639 Doc Chocolate: Oh, doing beautiful, doing beautiful, so… 31 00:04:16.649 --> 00:04:17.299 Shante Spice: It's been a minute. 32 00:04:17.300 --> 00:04:34.050 Doc Chocolate: went to… yeah, just went to the gym, did Upper Body Day, and went to Clear to get tested. So, we typically, as content creators, get tested every 14 days, and it sucks. So. 33 00:04:34.050 --> 00:04:40.610 Doc Chocolate: Myself and, Fun Charlie went out there, and then, Charlie, she's actually on another podcast right now. 34 00:04:41.430 --> 00:04:42.780 Doc Chocolate: I'm flying solo! 35 00:04:42.780 --> 00:04:43.910 Shante Spice: Eww. 36 00:04:43.910 --> 00:04:44.540 Doc Chocolate: Yay! 37 00:04:44.540 --> 00:04:47.259 Shante Spice: I miss her, we gotta, we gotta hang out when I get out there. 38 00:04:47.390 --> 00:04:51.660 Doc Chocolate: We really do. We… I… I… Sean say, I like hanging out with you. 39 00:04:51.660 --> 00:04:54.080 Shante Spice: Yeah, it's a lot of fun! We did, we had a lot of fun. 40 00:04:54.080 --> 00:05:01.149 Doc Chocolate: It is, like, guys listening to this, ladies listening to this, I really, really enjoy hanging out with Sean Tate. 41 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.349 Shante Spice: The sex and the non-sex stuff, with and without clothes. 42 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:10.519 Doc Chocolate: Yes, yes, okay, the sex and then all sex, it's good, it's good, you know? So, the sex is, like, the icing on top of the cake. 43 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:11.210 Shante Spice: Of course. 44 00:05:11.210 --> 00:05:12.530 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 45 00:05:13.210 --> 00:05:14.160 Doc Chocolate: We just… 46 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:15.470 Shante Spice: I really like icing, that's all. 47 00:05:15.470 --> 00:05:21.770 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, yeah, I see. You know, you gotta lick the frosting off and all that other stuff. So, this is Shantae, how do people find you? 48 00:05:22.340 --> 00:05:30.920 Shante Spice: They can find me on Twitter at Hot WifeShante, but all of my links are at shantespice.com. I'm on OnlyFans, and Fansley, ManyVids… 49 00:05:31.030 --> 00:05:32.829 Shante Spice: But a bunch of the others, too, I'm sure. 50 00:05:33.230 --> 00:05:44.730 Doc Chocolate: Beautiful. So, you guys, make sure y'all go to shantespice.com, that's shantespice.com, and that's spelled S-H-A-N-T-E Spice.com. 51 00:05:44.730 --> 00:05:45.799 Shante Spice: So… 52 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:52.910 Doc Chocolate: Alright, so we jumped on this interview, and it's literally been, like, 50 years in the making. 53 00:05:52.910 --> 00:05:55.619 Shante Spice: Mmm, yeah, yeah, about that. 54 00:05:55.620 --> 00:05:56.460 Doc Chocolate: Hey, shall I say, buddy. 55 00:05:56.460 --> 00:05:58.009 Shante Spice: We were both born. 56 00:05:58.010 --> 00:06:02.530 Doc Chocolate: That's where we were both born, you know? That's why he's like, I'm gonna slap you if you don't get me on the podcast. 57 00:06:02.530 --> 00:06:07.629 Shante Spice: Yeah, well, it's been some of my fault, too, but I'm gonna put the blame on you anyway, because I can't. 58 00:06:07.630 --> 00:06:10.150 Doc Chocolate: Well, thank you, thank you. That's what y'all ladies do. 59 00:06:10.150 --> 00:06:10.919 Shante Spice: Place the blood. 60 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:27.500 Doc Chocolate: on us, man, so… That's true. So you… okay, so this morning, you were texting me, and you were telling me, oh, doc, I didn't want to do a video, because, you know, I look like shit. But then you come over here, and you're looking all good, and everything like that, but you… your arm is in a sling. 61 00:06:27.500 --> 00:06:28.360 Shante Spice: Yes. 62 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:34.670 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, and what I noticed is that your black sling is matching your black blouse, so. 63 00:06:34.670 --> 00:06:35.240 Shante Spice: Give me a… 64 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.539 Doc Chocolate: coordinating, and you got black headphones on. 65 00:06:37.540 --> 00:06:41.269 Shante Spice: I do. I like black. Black's my color. I like a lot of things black, you know. 66 00:06:41.270 --> 00:06:43.240 Doc Chocolate: Hey, and the black loves you too. 67 00:06:45.380 --> 00:06:49.750 Doc Chocolate: So, how's your shoulder doing? Your shoulder's doing pretty decently? 68 00:06:49.940 --> 00:07:04.330 Shante Spice: It is. I'm in recovery, I'm in PT. I had surgery a couple of weeks ago, so it's still early. Shoulder surgery takes a minute to heal, unfortunately, just as I put it off forever and ever and ever until I couldn't put it off anymore, so… 69 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:09.980 Shante Spice: Now, I'm stuck with the recovery, but I'm making progress, so a little better every day. 70 00:07:10.150 --> 00:07:15.409 Doc Chocolate: There you go, there you go. So, she injured the shoulder doing a sex act. 71 00:07:15.810 --> 00:07:20.870 Shante Spice: Yeah, I've got a couple of tears from that. Actually, one in my hip. 72 00:07:21.090 --> 00:07:21.840 Doc Chocolate: Are you being serious? 73 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:26.880 Shante Spice: I don't know where this shoulder came from, but I'm pretty sure if you've seen some of the positions I've been… 74 00:07:27.380 --> 00:07:32.980 Shante Spice: put in, to say the least. I wouldn't doubt if the tear in my hip came from that. 75 00:07:32.980 --> 00:07:37.289 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, yeah, I've seen you being put in a pretzel a few times, so… 76 00:07:37.290 --> 00:07:45.220 Shante Spice: Yeah, yeah, there's one that my girlfriend saw the picture of, and she's like, paper clips break before you do. I don't know what to say. 77 00:07:45.220 --> 00:07:56.609 Doc Chocolate: Yes, yes, yes. And… and real quick, before I start asking you the real questions, okay, hold up… hold up your… your can. So, okay, this is… 78 00:07:56.610 --> 00:08:07.720 Doc Chocolate: funny, y'all, because Shantae, Spice, and myself, we both have an affinity for Red Bull, but not just the regular Red Bull, the sugar-free Red Bull. 79 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.859 Shante Spice: Yeah, I think they're the same size, too. That 8 ounce one? 80 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:12.020 Doc Chocolate: Hey, mine is bigger than yours. 81 00:08:12.020 --> 00:08:14.990 Shante Spice: Well, no. 82 00:08:14.990 --> 00:08:18.819 Doc Chocolate: No, you're right, mud is the 8 ounce. Yes. Mud is the 8 ounce. 83 00:08:18.820 --> 00:08:21.990 Shante Spice: I think I shopped and got some for Charlie when I was there. 84 00:08:21.990 --> 00:08:23.459 Doc Chocolate: Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. 85 00:08:23.860 --> 00:08:33.269 Doc Chocolate: You're right, you're right, because guys and ladies, Shantae Spice, she stayed with us, her and her husband. Can we say his name on, the podcast? I forget. 86 00:08:33.270 --> 00:08:34.400 Shante Spice: Dorian, Dorian, he goes back. 87 00:08:34.409 --> 00:08:40.049 Doc Chocolate: Dorian, okay, so, yeah, Shantae and Dorian were, stayed with us, and, what, about… 88 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:42.079 Doc Chocolate: 2 days? Three days? 89 00:08:42.330 --> 00:08:45.829 Shante Spice: Mmm… yeah, I think so. 3… yeah, 3 days, I think, yeah. 90 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:50.000 Doc Chocolate: Okay, yeah, we were Red Bulling it up, so, alright. 91 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:55.950 Shante Spice: need it. Like, when we were together. There wasn't a lot of sleep going on, so… 92 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.089 Doc Chocolate: Why was there not a lot of sleep going on? 93 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:01.600 Shante Spice: Oh, I don't know, Drew, we're a little busy, that's all. 94 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:06.670 Doc Chocolate: Yes, yes, because you guys came up for AVN, is that right? 95 00:09:06.670 --> 00:09:07.720 Shante Spice: Yeah, yep. 96 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.519 Doc Chocolate: Okay. How did you guys enjoy AVN? Was it, like, your first AVN. 97 00:09:11.520 --> 00:09:17.689 Shante Spice: Yeah, it was. Yeah, I'd been to an Exotica before, but that was my first EVN, so it was a lot of fun. 98 00:09:17.690 --> 00:09:19.640 Doc Chocolate: Okay, and how did you enjoy it? 99 00:09:19.970 --> 00:09:37.489 Shante Spice: It was good, it was good. I didn't really know what to expect, so I didn't plan my time well, but, did a couple really cool, co-labs while I was out there, and we actually spent some time looking around the area, because we knew we were going to move out there. So, checking out neighborhoods and seeing where we might want to live and all that fun stuff. 100 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:39.510 Shante Spice: Dual-purpose trip. 101 00:09:39.870 --> 00:09:43.669 Doc Chocolate: Yes, I love it. You gotta have the pleasure with the business. 102 00:09:44.490 --> 00:09:49.549 Doc Chocolate: Alright, so, Ms. Shantae, are you ready to talk about your spicy life? 103 00:09:49.870 --> 00:09:52.670 Shante Spice: Oh, sure. I love talking about spicy life. 104 00:09:52.670 --> 00:10:15.670 Doc Chocolate: Beautiful. Alright, so, you and Dorian, you guys have been together for a nice while, for 18 years, and you said that you were already in this kinky lifestyle, so, like, how did that start? So, obviously, it kind of sounds like you were in this lifestyle before Dorian, like, what, what, what… 105 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:20.469 Doc Chocolate: Facilitated you into jumping into lifestyle and all this? 106 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:27.129 Shante Spice: I was an early bloomer. I had an ex-boyfriend in my early 20s, so that's kind of all when it started. 107 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:41.040 Shante Spice: And, that was back in Craigslist days. There were no other real ways to find lifestyle stuff. He did all the legwork, so I don't know how he found all this stuff, but he's like, we're gonna go to this party, and he explained it to me. It was a swinger's party, and… 108 00:10:41.040 --> 00:10:53.289 Shante Spice: It was interesting, but we lived outside of Boston at the time, so we had gone to a couple of those, and it was kind of ironic, because he was super controlling, and it was a crazy toxic relationship. 109 00:10:53.490 --> 00:10:54.260 Shante Spice: But… 110 00:10:54.360 --> 00:11:03.100 Shante Spice: the sex was fucking amazing, so… we had a lot of it. And, we ended up just mostly playing with each other. I played with a couple girls, but… 111 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:12.339 Shante Spice: that was my first introduction that the lifestyle existed at all, so… yeah. I met, Dorian when I was about 30, so… 112 00:11:12.460 --> 00:11:13.070 Shante Spice: I'm like. 113 00:11:13.070 --> 00:11:13.580 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 114 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:17.279 Shante Spice: Paul, come on over to the fun side. 115 00:11:17.530 --> 00:11:20.019 Doc Chocolate: Come over to the fun side. 116 00:11:20.380 --> 00:11:21.979 Doc Chocolate: I am your father. 117 00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:26.440 Shante Spice: He was a very willing participant, I didn't have to pull too hard, so… 118 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:32.660 Doc Chocolate: I think most of those guys are pretty much willing, you know? Like, my ex-wife was the one who got us into the lifestyle. 119 00:11:32.660 --> 00:11:33.570 Shante Spice: Really? I didn't know that. 120 00:11:33.570 --> 00:11:41.029 Doc Chocolate: Yes, ma'am. About, shoot. I'm getting old. About 8 years ago, I want to say. 121 00:11:41.550 --> 00:11:42.779 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, about 8 years ago. 122 00:11:42.780 --> 00:11:43.510 Shante Spice: Okay. 123 00:11:43.510 --> 00:11:54.149 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, so, okay, so you… and you said, Shantae, that you played with girls, so, have you always known that you were bisexual all your life, or was this something that you wound out later on? 124 00:11:54.430 --> 00:11:57.529 Shante Spice: Yeah, interesting story. So, I… 125 00:11:57.980 --> 00:12:06.119 Shante Spice: was married before that boyfriend in my early 20s. I was married very young, divorced very young. And I knew when I was a teenager, I… 126 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:13.130 Shante Spice: had the interest in women, and I had told my first husband that, and it was not received well. 127 00:12:13.130 --> 00:12:13.550 Doc Chocolate: Really? 128 00:12:13.550 --> 00:12:27.950 Shante Spice: Yeah, yeah, he's the guy, the one. But yeah, so that was kind of, like, a weird place for me to be, and I'm like, oh, maybe this isn't kind of a cool thing, and 129 00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:46.039 Shante Spice: I didn't know how… I don't know if shame is the right word, but I just didn't know how to express it very well after that. I did play with some girls a little bit when I was in my 20s and with that guy, because we were at parties, and it was easy. But the rest of my 20s, I just… I had no idea how to pick up women. I could pick up a guy easily that I could do. 130 00:12:46.680 --> 00:13:02.200 Shante Spice: And I did a lot of that. I sluttered myself out the rest of my 20s after I split up with that guy until I met my husband, but but yeah, it took me a while, really. It was… it wasn't really until I was married to my… to Dorian that I started really exploring that more. 131 00:13:02.330 --> 00:13:10.999 Shante Spice: I just… it was mostly, I just didn't know how to go find a girl. Like, I'm like, I can't just walk into a bar and pick up a girl like I can with a guy, so… 132 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:11.810 Doc Chocolate: Yeah. 133 00:13:11.810 --> 00:13:12.180 Shante Spice: Yeah. 134 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:28.120 Doc Chocolate: Because it actually does make sense, and, of why, hey, it's pretty easy for you to go to a bar. You know, you're a beautiful woman, you can just go to a bar, and, you know, it's almost as easy as you saying, hey, I want to fuck, who wants to fuck me? 135 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.720 Shante Spice: Oh yeah, I would literally go in like, you. 136 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:38.340 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, yeah, I mean, guys aren't really gonna say no for the most part, you know? Yeah. So, but yeah, with a woman… 137 00:13:38.340 --> 00:13:45.980 Shante Spice: come home and have no-strings-attached sex, and then leave. That wasn't really a hard proposition to propose, so… 138 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:53.170 Doc Chocolate: Okay, let me ask you this. So, like, did you get looks from guys when you went out there and were so, like, forceful with it? 139 00:13:53.450 --> 00:13:56.099 Shante Spice: I don't know that it was necessarily… 140 00:13:57.230 --> 00:14:08.430 Shante Spice: an approach that was blatant and forceful, but I've always been comfortable in my skin, and I think that that was enough. You know, I put myself in a position that… 141 00:14:08.690 --> 00:14:13.829 Shante Spice: the invite still came to me, but I was very intentional to get that invite, so… 142 00:14:14.180 --> 00:14:21.129 Doc Chocolate: Okay, gotcha. So you basically let them know, hey, I'm interested, but it's up to them to actually make the move. 143 00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:22.600 Shante Spice: Usually, yeah. 144 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:29.030 Doc Chocolate: Okay, perfect. And that's why I tell ladies, you know, I tell ladies about, you know, your game towards men. 145 00:14:29.300 --> 00:14:44.749 Doc Chocolate: all you have to do is let the guy know that you're interested. It could be as simple as you touching his arm and smiling and, you know, being up in his orbit and in his space, and any guy that's a real guy is going to know what the hell to do, you know? 146 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:50.620 Doc Chocolate: If you as a woman throw the LE yoke, it's up to the guy to dump that ball in the basket. 147 00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:52.609 Shante Spice: Yeah, agreed. 148 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:53.520 Doc Chocolate: Just saying. 149 00:14:54.170 --> 00:14:59.950 Doc Chocolate: You said, Shantae, that you sluted yourself out. Like, what does that… what does that mean? 150 00:14:59.950 --> 00:15:05.330 Shante Spice: I was… it was a lot of no strings attached. I mean, now, today's world, I guess that would… 151 00:15:05.390 --> 00:15:20.779 Shante Spice: kind of be lifestyle, or, poly, or whatever the label someone wants to give it, but the labels weren't as popular back then, so… But I just… I didn't want a relationship. I was in no way, shape, or form looking to settle down. 152 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:34.610 Shante Spice: Really, Dorian, when I met him, like, he was the first person that just let me be me, and accepted me 100% for who I was, and gave me the freedom that I… I couldn't be tamed. There was just… there was no… 153 00:15:34.650 --> 00:15:42.749 Shante Spice: Putting me in a box in this whole, like, this is how the relationship escalator is supposed to go, and this is what it's supposed to look like. 154 00:15:42.870 --> 00:15:48.059 Shante Spice: that was just never me, it never was going to be, so… But yeah, I just… 155 00:15:48.230 --> 00:15:51.739 Shante Spice: like I said, you come home with me, and then you leave, and… 156 00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:53.600 Doc Chocolate: I'll call you! 157 00:15:53.600 --> 00:16:02.469 Shante Spice: Sometime, maybe, I don't know, depends how the sex is, and then we go from there, and I was quite content with, like, I just didn't want the complication of relationships, and… 158 00:16:02.660 --> 00:16:06.800 Shante Spice: So yeah, I enjoyed my freedom, and… Yeah. 159 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:15.350 Doc Chocolate: Did you ever have guys that, like, after the sex, they were like, I want to spend the night with you? Did you ever have guys like that? 160 00:16:15.350 --> 00:16:17.029 Shante Spice: More than once. 161 00:16:17.030 --> 00:16:20.749 Doc Chocolate: Yes, for sure. How did you get them to hill up out of your house? Like… 162 00:16:20.750 --> 00:16:25.180 Shante Spice: I'm usually good at being tactful, but firm. 163 00:16:26.890 --> 00:16:30.579 Shante Spice: So, yeah, it was, yeah, there's the door. 164 00:16:32.520 --> 00:16:37.580 Shante Spice: I appreciate it. I sleep better on my own. I'll give you a call tomorrow. How's that? 165 00:16:37.580 --> 00:16:45.660 Doc Chocolate: I love it, I love it. Thank you for the dick, sir, but, I need you to get the fuck out of here. 166 00:16:45.660 --> 00:16:55.309 Shante Spice: Yeah, I definitely… I mean, I had more than one stalkers in my day, and I had to deal with that over time, but, you know, that's just part of being a woman, so… 167 00:16:55.310 --> 00:16:56.829 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, yeah, it is. 168 00:16:56.830 --> 00:16:57.610 Shante Spice: pros and cons. 169 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:11.810 Doc Chocolate: There you go. And so, my next question, I want to ask you about how you and Dorian first met, and I'm going to have you answer that question after these messages. 170 00:17:16.790 --> 00:17:37.299 Doc Chocolate: Okay, y'all, we are back. It's Doc Chocolate and Shantae Spice, and you can check out my stuff and my kinky shit at DocChocolatefans.com, and you can check out my lovely guest, Shantae Spice, and she is at shantespice.com. 171 00:17:37.750 --> 00:17:38.420 Shante Spice: Yeah. 172 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:38.739 Doc Chocolate: So before… 173 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:39.400 Shante Spice: Just remember. 174 00:17:39.560 --> 00:17:51.319 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, it's very easy. I love that. And so, the question I asked her before the commercial was, how did she and her husband, Dorian, first meet? 175 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:53.300 Shante Spice: Match.com. 176 00:17:53.300 --> 00:17:56.660 Doc Chocolate: Mesh.com! Match.com. 177 00:17:56.660 --> 00:18:04.840 Shante Spice: those people. I had been on there for years, and it was really just… I wanted free dinner, I'm not gonna lie. 178 00:18:04.840 --> 00:18:09.589 Doc Chocolate: So you went on there, you went on there because you just wanted, like, guys to take you out to dinner, and… 179 00:18:09.590 --> 00:18:22.040 Shante Spice: Basically, yeah. And then I would decide if I want to take them home or not, but yeah, it was a free, easy way to get free dates, you know? I didn't have to work at it, and I was just there, you know, contacted who I want to, and… 180 00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:34.220 Shante Spice: But yeah, free dinner, and my intent with him was free dinner, and like I said, he just… it was just easy. It was always easy. Our first date, though, actually wasn't dinner. It was rollerblading. 181 00:18:34.360 --> 00:18:34.960 Shante Spice: Wow. 182 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:35.400 Doc Chocolate: Whoa. 183 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.980 Shante Spice: Yeah, it was a very interesting one. 184 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:39.710 Doc Chocolate: Are you a good rollerblader? 185 00:18:39.710 --> 00:18:54.890 Shante Spice: I love rollerblading, and roller skating, yeah. So I used to go every Sunday in Boston. There's, an area called the, the Esplanade that… there's an area that's just a lot of walkway, and it goes down into where Harvard University is. 186 00:18:55.280 --> 00:19:09.480 Shante Spice: And on Sundays, at least at times, 20 years ago, they used to close down part of the streets, into Cambridge. Okay. And where Harvard was, and you could, you know, ride your bike, and rollblade, and run, whatever, and some of the side streets, they were open. 187 00:19:10.070 --> 00:19:11.770 Shante Spice: And so I did that every Sunday. 188 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:19.700 Shante Spice: And we had been talking online, he wanted to get together, I'm like, well, I do this, do you know how to rollerblade? He's like, well, I used to play street hockey, and, you know… 189 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:20.470 Doc Chocolate: Okay, okay. 190 00:19:20.630 --> 00:19:23.570 Shante Spice: Alright, cool. This is where I'll be, if you want to meet up. 191 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:24.610 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 192 00:19:24.610 --> 00:19:31.179 Shante Spice: What I didn't know, because I didn't pay attention ever, was how far that I rollerbladed every Sunday. 193 00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:32.030 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 194 00:19:32.030 --> 00:19:39.169 Shante Spice: So it's July, it's 90-some-odd degrees and humid in Boston, and… which is very hot for there, we're not used to that. 195 00:19:39.330 --> 00:19:46.779 Shante Spice: And… it's about 14 miles, I learned much later. He hadn't been on rollerblades in… 196 00:19:46.780 --> 00:19:51.340 Doc Chocolate: Many years. You rollerbladed 14 miles? 197 00:19:51.340 --> 00:19:52.110 Shante Spice: Yeah. 198 00:19:52.110 --> 00:19:52.590 Doc Chocolate: Are you serious? 199 00:19:52.590 --> 00:19:58.769 Shante Spice: Yeah, I mean, I went for a couple hours. No, no, it's not that far. It really isn't, though, if you think about it, yeah. But there's a few hours. 200 00:19:58.770 --> 00:20:00.989 Doc Chocolate: You have some strong-ass ankles. 201 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:02.530 Doc Chocolate: Yeah. 202 00:20:02.530 --> 00:20:05.310 Shante Spice: It's been a minute since I did that, but yeah, 203 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:13.450 Shante Spice: I enjoyed it, and it's flat and smooth, and just have to swear at a few people that, you know, are on bikes and almost hit me, but that's fine. 204 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:14.710 Doc Chocolate: Alright. 205 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:34.130 Shante Spice: So yeah, apparently, I didn't find out until 2 years later, when we were getting married, he was behind me, roadblading, and before you get to the nice, smooth esplanade, you go up and over a footbridge that goes over Cambridge Boulevard, and over Cobblestone Road. 206 00:20:34.690 --> 00:20:36.330 Shante Spice: years in Boston. 207 00:20:36.330 --> 00:20:36.730 Doc Chocolate: Damn. 208 00:20:37.660 --> 00:20:43.820 Shante Spice: And, yeah, you have to do all that first on rollerblades, and he was dying. He was trying not to kick… to just… 209 00:20:44.410 --> 00:20:45.510 Shante Spice: kill himself. 210 00:20:45.510 --> 00:20:49.450 Doc Chocolate: Did you just… Hold up a second, did you just say cheers, where everybody knows your name? 211 00:20:49.450 --> 00:20:50.809 Shante Spice: Yeah, everybody knows your name. 212 00:20:50.810 --> 00:20:52.019 Doc Chocolate: That's actually a real place. 213 00:20:52.020 --> 00:20:58.990 Shante Spice: It is, yeah, it doesn't look anything like that inside, but yeah. Yeah, it's right across from the Boston Commons. 214 00:20:58.990 --> 00:21:04.759 Doc Chocolate: Okay, so you took him past cheers, and almost… he almost busted his ass on the cobblestone. 215 00:21:04.760 --> 00:21:18.600 Shante Spice: Yeah, that, the footbridge, and he said every time I turned around, he didn't know how he pulled it off, but he would, all of a sudden, like, he would catch himself or look like he was going smooth, but he was trying not to die. 216 00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:21.610 Shante Spice: And he had no water, and he was… 217 00:21:21.610 --> 00:21:22.110 Doc Chocolate: Ew. 218 00:21:22.110 --> 00:21:29.790 Shante Spice: dying of heat, and… yeah, I didn't know that whole time he had me fooled, so… 219 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:35.170 Doc Chocolate: Well, hey, hey, that is, probably 10 plus points for Dorian, so… 220 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:36.000 Shante Spice: Yes, yes. 221 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:41.109 Doc Chocolate: at that point, you're like, hey, you know what, I think I like this guy for much more than just a dinner. 222 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:51.700 Shante Spice: Yeah, and we went out to lunch after, and I'm starving. You know, I'm like, we just rollbladed 14 miles, I'm like, I want food. I went to Albon Pan, and I'm like, you have these little trays, like a lunch spot. 223 00:21:51.810 --> 00:22:05.060 Shante Spice: And you pick your food that you want, and I'm like, put a salad, a sanDoc Chocolateich, and, like, all this food, because I'm starving. And he has this one little tiny salad, because he's trying not to throw up, because he was dying of heat and had no water, and he was dehydrated and everything else from the… 224 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:07.560 Shante Spice: Whirlblading, but… yeah. 225 00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:10.739 Shante Spice: It, it worked out. 226 00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:13.680 Doc Chocolate: I am glad that he survived that first date, so… 227 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.210 Shante Spice: Yeah. 228 00:22:14.330 --> 00:22:29.420 Doc Chocolate: So, fast-forwarding, you guys have been together for 18 years and whatnot, how did… was Dorian lifestyle when you guys met, or did he… did you… did you turn him? Were you, like, a vampire that turned him? 229 00:22:29.890 --> 00:22:33.270 Shante Spice: Oh, I definitely… I corrupted him big time. He… 230 00:22:33.270 --> 00:22:34.020 Doc Chocolate: What is… 231 00:22:34.020 --> 00:22:39.040 Shante Spice: That was his second date after getting divorced, and he married his high school girlfriend, so… 232 00:22:40.250 --> 00:22:47.050 Shante Spice: Yeah, so he lived a very sheltered life. He always wanted to be wild, but just didn't have anyone to be wild with. 233 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:50.770 Shante Spice: So yeah, so, he, 234 00:22:51.810 --> 00:23:06.669 Shante Spice: didn't intend on settling down in a relationship either, but he's like, it, you know, just… it was good, and it was easy, and it was fun, and why would I want to not? Just because I told myself I was not going to get in a relationship, so… 235 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.830 Shante Spice: Yeah, he moved in after 6 months. 236 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:16.789 Doc Chocolate: Okay, so he moved in after 6 months, and, like, how did you… how did you pose that question to him? Like, hey, Dorian. 237 00:23:17.030 --> 00:23:26.530 Doc Chocolate: You should let me fuck… oh, no, not you should, you're not asking, you're like, hey, Dorian, I'm going to fuck other guys. Hey, if you want, you can fuck other girls, like, I mean, how does that… 238 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:28.789 Doc Chocolate: How does that go down? 239 00:23:29.300 --> 00:23:31.949 Shante Spice: So, it was a little… a little more… 240 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:47.070 Shante Spice: I don't know that it was direct. So the conversation is, you know, usually at some point in that early stage of the relationship, there's a conversation, like, you know, how many people have you fucked, how many people have you fucked? And my answer was, I have no idea. 241 00:23:47.540 --> 00:23:50.909 Shante Spice: things got a little interesting, so, you know, I explained to him what. 242 00:23:50.910 --> 00:23:53.590 Doc Chocolate: Did his life get big when he said, I don't even know the number? 243 00:23:53.590 --> 00:23:56.390 Shante Spice: Yeah, a little bit. 244 00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:09.670 Shante Spice: And, you know, so he just… he knew my sexual history and past, and what I enjoyed, and, you know, I told him about the lifestyle stuff that I had done when I was younger, and he was intrigued. 245 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:27.059 Shante Spice: It really wasn't a huge part of our relationship in the beginning. We were mostly monogamous. We would go to Hito on vacation, we did eventually try to find some of those same lifestyle parties on Craigslist, because it was still 2008, so it wasn't a lot of other stuff out there either. 246 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:37.769 Shante Spice: But, yeah, so it wasn't a huge part of our relationship for a number… quite a few years. It really was, I don't know, maybe 5, 6 years ago? 247 00:24:38.040 --> 00:24:51.500 Shante Spice: That we were in Desire in Mexico, and we were talking to some people we had met there, and that's when we learned about other sites, like Field, and SLS, and whatever all the other ones are. 248 00:24:52.630 --> 00:25:04.970 Shante Spice: And we're like, you know what, we get home, we should get on those and see what's around locally and, you know, dip our toes in a little more, rather than just the once-a-year-on-vacation kind of thing. 249 00:25:05.470 --> 00:25:08.799 Shante Spice: I gotcha. Yeah, so it became a big part of our life. 250 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:15.719 Shante Spice: Kind of after that. That was really when things snowballed. We were just… we weren't, like, tiptoeing in, we were just dive off the deep end. 251 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.729 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, dive off the deep end, dive off that deep end, so… 252 00:25:19.310 --> 00:25:35.910 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, and I've heard from other people, actually, Fun Charlie, her ex-boyfriend, he is from the Boston area, and other people that we talked to from the Boston area, they've said that the lifestyle, 253 00:25:35.910 --> 00:25:43.000 Doc Chocolate: life out there, or the scene, is a bit lacking. Is that true from your perspective, or… 254 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:58.090 Shante Spice: Yeah, so we had moved down to North Carolina, where I'm at now, about 12 years ago now? So most of our relationship has been down here. So up there, really, it was just those 255 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:04.600 Shante Spice: random parties that I found on Craigslist, so it didn't seem to be overly robust. 256 00:26:04.890 --> 00:26:09.720 Shante Spice: I don't know if it's changed much over the years, but I've kind of heard similar, 257 00:26:10.340 --> 00:26:12.370 Shante Spice: Things from other people that are still there. 258 00:26:12.570 --> 00:26:14.720 Shante Spice: Here. 259 00:26:15.250 --> 00:26:22.840 Shante Spice: it's… there's not places to go, there's not a lot of clubs, so that kind of like there are in Vegas or some other cities, but there's a lot of… 260 00:26:22.840 --> 00:26:26.460 Doc Chocolate: Your mind's gonna be blown… hey, your mind's gonna be blown when y'all move out to Vegas. 261 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:29.300 Shante Spice: I've been to a couple of them out there. 262 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:45.690 Shante Spice: But, yeah, there's not places to go, but there are a lot of people in the lifestyle. There's, you know, there's communities of people, and, you know, Discord groups, and all that kind of thing. So, you have to know the right person to kind of find your way in, but once you find the right people, which we coincidentally met 263 00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:53.160 Shante Spice: like, the people who run all of the groups pretty early on, so we get intertwined in a bunch of them early, so… 264 00:26:53.350 --> 00:27:03.009 Doc Chocolate: Gotcha. So, our apologies to all of you awesome Bostonians about the lifestyle scene. At least you always have cheers that you can go. 265 00:27:03.010 --> 00:27:04.059 Shante Spice: If you were. 266 00:27:04.060 --> 00:27:06.240 Doc Chocolate: Everybody knows your name. 267 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.089 Shante Spice: Yes, yes, that is true. 268 00:27:09.090 --> 00:27:11.669 Doc Chocolate: Fuck that, we don't want Sharers, we want lifestyle. 269 00:27:11.670 --> 00:27:14.089 Shante Spice: Yeah, there's better things out there. 270 00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:15.650 Shante Spice: A little hole in the wall, so… 271 00:27:15.650 --> 00:27:21.670 Doc Chocolate: So, Shantae, how did you become a dominatrix? 272 00:27:21.820 --> 00:27:23.030 Shante Spice: Yes. 273 00:27:23.370 --> 00:27:26.429 Shante Spice: That was a bit of an evolution, too. 274 00:27:26.590 --> 00:27:31.979 Shante Spice: really, I was 15 when I was first tied to a bed and learned I liked bondage. 275 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:38.799 Doc Chocolate: Whoa, whoa, who Okay, you gotta slow down and give us, like, a little synopsis on that. 276 00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:45.240 Shante Spice: Yeah, I don't remember a lot of it, to be honest. I block out a lot of it, because it was my first husband. But… 277 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.240 Doc Chocolate: Oh, oh, he was, he was also younger. 278 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.840 Shante Spice: He was sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 279 00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:50.330 Doc Chocolate: Oh, she was… 280 00:27:50.330 --> 00:28:02.029 Shante Spice: 17. Yeah, yeah. 17, okay, okay. I don't even know how we got that far, but I ended up tied to a bed. What I do remember is my very wet pussy response, so… 281 00:28:02.030 --> 00:28:03.170 Doc Chocolate: Whoa! 282 00:28:03.170 --> 00:28:04.869 Shante Spice: I knew I enjoyed it. 283 00:28:05.620 --> 00:28:08.970 Shante Spice: But we had kids young, we did the whole life. 284 00:28:09.090 --> 00:28:15.860 Shante Spice: You know, of the family and kids, and we just really didn't do a whole bunch beyond that. 285 00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:22.739 Shante Spice: And I… I didn't really do much in my 20s, either. I don't know if it was just I wasn't with the right guys, or didn't… 286 00:28:22.990 --> 00:28:27.260 Shante Spice: bring it up or look for it, I don't know. It was probably… 287 00:28:27.430 --> 00:28:31.710 Shante Spice: 12-ish, 15 years ago with my current husband. 288 00:28:32.060 --> 00:28:35.950 Shante Spice: We were at Hito, and… 289 00:28:36.070 --> 00:28:39.720 Shante Spice: The first thing I remember, anyway, and we might… probably did some little stuff before this, but… 290 00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:45.060 Shante Spice: I asked him to whip me with his belt, And, 291 00:28:45.060 --> 00:28:46.409 Doc Chocolate: With his vessel built, with his, like… 292 00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:53.250 Shante Spice: That's all we had. We had no toys at the time. That all gets you, but there are a lot of toys now. 293 00:28:54.250 --> 00:29:03.360 Shante Spice: But yeah, we had a belt, and he, you know, his arms, like yours, they're good size, and when he couldn't… yes, yeah, that, yeah. 294 00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:06.609 Doc Chocolate: Licked them. 295 00:29:06.610 --> 00:29:07.320 Shante Spice: Yeah. 296 00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:09.110 Doc Chocolate: Oh, hey, you can lick my arms anytime. 297 00:29:09.110 --> 00:29:11.390 Shante Spice: I just looked… I'll… yeah, yeah, I'll. 298 00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:15.180 Doc Chocolate: I just looked for Shantae, and she's like, I'm getting on a plane to Vegas right now. 299 00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:17.350 Shante Spice: Just lost my train of thought there, sorry. 300 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:30.849 Shante Spice: Yes, belt. So, I had asked him to whip me with it, and when he couldn't whip me any harder, we figured that I kind of liked impact too, so… 301 00:29:30.850 --> 00:29:42.260 Doc Chocolate: Oh, okay, I apologize to interject. So, okay, you said when he couldn't whip you any harder. So, Dorian, he's a pretty strong 302 00:29:42.280 --> 00:29:51.149 Doc Chocolate: male individual, you know, with good strength, so he has this leather belt, so… so I'm assuming he's whipping you as hard as he can on your 303 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:52.000 Doc Chocolate: Right? 304 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.090 Shante Spice: Yes, yeah. 305 00:29:53.090 --> 00:30:01.999 Doc Chocolate: Okay, and for those of you guys who don't know, I mean, go to Shantae's site, but she, she's, voluptuously shaved. She has an hour. 306 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.399 Shante Spice: So she got… That's a lot of ass. 307 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.039 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, she got, yeah, you, you got black girl booty. 308 00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:07.710 Shante Spice: It's so funny. 309 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:16.059 Doc Chocolate: So, like, that could take, you know, a nice little beating. So, like, I mean, is he leaving… I'm assuming he's leaving marks and shit on your ass, right? 310 00:30:16.060 --> 00:30:20.080 Shante Spice: Yeah, yeah, there's some red marks there for a few days, yeah. 311 00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:21.190 Doc Chocolate: That wasn't hard enough? 312 00:30:21.570 --> 00:30:24.659 Shante Spice: No, I wanted more, and I don't know if it was just… 313 00:30:24.890 --> 00:30:29.700 Shante Spice: built-up desire over time that I didn't realize was there, but… 314 00:30:29.990 --> 00:30:38.209 Shante Spice: Yeah, so from there, we're like, yeah, let's explore this a little bit, let's get some things when we get back home, so… yeah. 315 00:30:38.550 --> 00:30:47.470 Doc Chocolate: So, you guys get back home, and you do a little bit more exploration, and what did you find, Christopher Columbus? 316 00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:52.019 Shante Spice: We went down the rabbit hole that is kink, 317 00:30:52.300 --> 00:31:06.190 Shante Spice: Yeah, it was a progression over time, and so I was still in the submissive role at this point, though. Okay. Exploring all of that stuff. Okay. Probably 5 or 6 years ago, I'm not sure. We're just like… 318 00:31:06.370 --> 00:31:10.899 Shante Spice: I wonder what it'd be like. I think it might have been his idea, I don't remember, to be honest. 319 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:14.239 Shante Spice: Overall, in my regular life, I'm very… 320 00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:16.780 Shante Spice: dominant, I guess would be the word, but I'm… 321 00:31:16.780 --> 00:31:17.400 Doc Chocolate: Yeah. 322 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.060 Shante Spice: confident, I'm… I just get shit done, so… 323 00:31:22.060 --> 00:31:29.589 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, yeah, you are. Yeah, and you're unique in that, Shantae, because, you're… 324 00:31:29.590 --> 00:31:45.069 Doc Chocolate: Okay, service level, if somebody needs you, they, you know, you kind of have, like, a demure, you know, attitude, personality, but, like, when you need to, you're very confident, and you take no shit, and, you know, but you do it in such, like, a calm, steady way. 325 00:31:46.030 --> 00:31:47.110 Doc Chocolate: Does that make you… 326 00:31:47.430 --> 00:31:48.470 Shante Spice: Yeah, with a smile! 327 00:31:48.470 --> 00:31:58.839 Doc Chocolate: But you're confident, because there was something that happened, and I forget what it was, but I think somebody wanted to shoot with you or something. Some guy did something… 328 00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:03.670 Doc Chocolate: Stupid. I forget what it was, but you got on his ass. Do you remember what that was? 329 00:32:03.670 --> 00:32:06.059 Shante Spice: Yep, we'll talk about that later, but yep. 330 00:32:06.060 --> 00:32:09.680 Doc Chocolate: Okay, okay, I forgot who it was. 331 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.529 Shante Spice: I'll jog your memory later. 332 00:32:11.530 --> 00:32:15.830 Doc Chocolate: Okay, okay, hey, hey, Sean's ain turned into the Incredible Hulk! 333 00:32:15.830 --> 00:32:16.930 Shante Spice: Dude. 334 00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:28.349 Doc Chocolate: Oh, you know what, I remember now. Yeah. So, anyways, yeah, so, all I will say is don't fuck with Shantae. 335 00:32:28.350 --> 00:32:31.439 Shante Spice: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mama bear don't take no shit. 336 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:50.849 Doc Chocolate: Alright, so you guys are exploring the roles, and you're in a submissive role, which I'm going to assume that Dorian's in a dominant role, and then either he or you suggest that, you guys switch, or at least you switch, and see what's on the dom site, is that correct? 337 00:32:50.850 --> 00:33:05.839 Shante Spice: Yeah, he wanted to try out the submissive, and neither one of us honestly thought that it would be our thing. I enjoyed the submissive role during sex, because it was kind of my escape from being in charge of everything else in the world. 338 00:33:05.970 --> 00:33:09.609 Shante Spice: Which is probably pretty common for women. It is, it is. 339 00:33:09.610 --> 00:33:10.850 Doc Chocolate: Women and men. 340 00:33:10.850 --> 00:33:16.230 Shante Spice: And men, yeah, that's true, that's true. A lot of times, the submissive men are the ones that are… 341 00:33:16.690 --> 00:33:21.250 Shante Spice: running CEOs of companies and things like that. Yep. 342 00:33:21.580 --> 00:33:34.209 Shante Spice: So we switched it up, and we're both like, that was fun. So we started exploring more down that road, and one thing led to another, I think it was 2024? 343 00:33:34.280 --> 00:33:43.879 Shante Spice: I was listening to a podcast, and they had talked with Mistress Melicia, who is a dominatrix out of Spain. 344 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.480 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 345 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:57.649 Shante Spice: And she was talking about a dominatrix academy that she runs. So, I went down the rabbit hole and researching that, and I ended up enrolled in her program, and it was… it was a lot of fun. So, it was, like, a 7-month long program. 346 00:33:57.750 --> 00:34:05.459 Shante Spice: It's different now, but it used to be kind of live calls and a lot of one-on-one stuff, and it was… it was really a great program. 347 00:34:05.580 --> 00:34:14.630 Shante Spice: That culminated with a week-long adventure, event in Spain last summer that I went to. 348 00:34:14.630 --> 00:34:15.190 Doc Chocolate: remembered. 349 00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:22.420 Shante Spice: Yeah, we stayed in this amazing villa on the coast in southern Spain, and… 350 00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:25.929 Shante Spice: I mean, everything… everything was adorned in gold, and it… 351 00:34:26.100 --> 00:34:32.019 Shante Spice: it was a lot. It was, like, $14,000 a night to stay there, so… Jeez! Yeah, I didn't pay that, but… 352 00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:32.550 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 353 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:45.420 Shante Spice: It was a group that, I think was about what it cost her. There's 20 doms and a gaggle of subs that were there to take care of us for the week, so… and be our little playthings. 354 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:49.719 Doc Chocolate: Jeez. So is that what you call a group of subs, is a gaggle? 355 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.219 Shante Spice: It is now, if it wasn't. 356 00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:52.659 Doc Chocolate: It is that… 357 00:34:52.659 --> 00:34:55.069 Shante Spice: where it is now, yeah, that's what I've decided. 358 00:34:55.070 --> 00:35:05.329 Doc Chocolate: I love it, I love it. And yeah, because, like, I remember, cause you and I, I think we've known of each other for about 2 years, I want to say. 359 00:35:05.330 --> 00:35:06.500 Shante Spice: Yeah, about that again. 360 00:35:06.670 --> 00:35:11.399 Doc Chocolate: Yeah, since 2024, and then I believe we… 361 00:35:11.550 --> 00:35:22.100 Doc Chocolate: we met, in person at Houston last summer, so in 2025, and then, and I really enjoyed meeting you, by the way. And… 362 00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:22.890 Shante Spice: You bet. 363 00:35:22.890 --> 00:35:32.270 Doc Chocolate: We did a lifestyle party, you guys, and had a lot of fun. And I remember about a week or two later, I think, I saw you posting about Spain or something. 364 00:35:32.270 --> 00:35:32.910 Shante Spice: Yeah. 365 00:35:32.910 --> 00:35:34.429 Doc Chocolate: It was right after Houston, right? 366 00:35:34.430 --> 00:35:35.410 Shante Spice: Yeah, yep. 367 00:35:35.410 --> 00:35:35.950 Doc Chocolate: Right. 368 00:35:35.950 --> 00:35:50.410 Shante Spice: Yeah, it was right after that, yep. It was really cool, and so that's… that's something… so right now, it's still more lifestyle than it is anything else. When I do get out there to Vegas, that is something I'll do more on a professional level. 369 00:35:50.920 --> 00:36:04.929 Shante Spice: I'm also producing content for the Dominatrix side, and I trickle a little breadcrumb out here now, but I want to build up the bank of content, and the right kind of content that I want to put out there. 370 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:13.180 Shante Spice: And that's… it's a little more involved to produce the content on the Dominatrix side than it is in the Hot Wife stuff, so… 371 00:36:13.470 --> 00:36:23.330 Shante Spice: Once I build up that library a little bit more, I'll be releasing more, but yeah, I enjoy it, and I have a lot of fun with it, and I look forward to really… 372 00:36:23.410 --> 00:36:36.830 Shante Spice: honing in on that more when I was here, I've… I'm in the process of selling the house and moving, so at the moment, everything is hidden away, but I did build a whole sex room dungeon in my house. 373 00:36:36.830 --> 00:36:39.859 Doc Chocolate: I saw pictures, me and Charlie saw pictures of that. 374 00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:42.319 Doc Chocolate: Very impressive dungeon. 375 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:49.930 Shante Spice: Yeah, it was… it was a Shantae-style dungeon. It was dungeon-esque, but pretty all at the same time. 376 00:36:49.930 --> 00:36:52.160 Doc Chocolate: I love that. Had a little… 377 00:36:52.160 --> 00:37:11.249 Doc Chocolate: Chate Spice flavor to it, so… and we should create some, content like that, because, I'm not sure if I told you, but, like, I'm more of a switch, but a lot of times I do lean, more into the submissive role, and I think it's because of just what you said. So, for so many years, I was in charge of stuff. 378 00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:17.009 Doc Chocolate: And so, you know, like, you know, taking a little pain, you know, you can stick your hand in my mouth, you can slap me around. 379 00:37:17.490 --> 00:37:21.879 Doc Chocolate: You can choke me, you can… I love it, you know? 380 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:22.330 Shante Spice: Awesome. 381 00:37:22.330 --> 00:37:26.000 Doc Chocolate: I mean, not crazy, not crazy, crazy stuff now. 382 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.679 Shante Spice: Put your balls in a vise and squish them. 383 00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:40.259 Doc Chocolate: No, no, I'm not that way. I'm not that way. Like, I heard of girls, like, women, like, stomping on balls, and I'm like, no, I can't… no. But… I did put balls on. 384 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:43.519 Shante Spice: of ice and gave a guy ovaries when I was in Spain, so yeah. 385 00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:45.859 Doc Chocolate: So, an actual metal vice, like the. 386 00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:58.859 Shante Spice: It was… it was actually clear. It's two plates that you… that work like a vise. They kind of squish together. I can't move my shoulder like that. It's two plates that squish together, and you kind of keep screwing, and they squish more and more. 387 00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:00.030 Doc Chocolate: But the… 388 00:38:00.030 --> 00:38:07.239 Shante Spice: Yeah, it kind of pushed his balls back into his body, and you could see, like, little lumps that almost looked like little ovaries. We joked around. 389 00:38:07.240 --> 00:38:08.110 Doc Chocolate: Couple of the dumps. 390 00:38:08.140 --> 00:38:08.820 Shante Spice: Yeah, it's funny. 391 00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:16.830 Doc Chocolate: Jeez. So, I've had some dumb stuff, done to me by, Fitwife Jules, and… 392 00:38:16.830 --> 00:38:17.149 Shante Spice: Oh, shit. 393 00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:18.170 Doc Chocolate: no rain. 394 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:19.430 Shante Spice: Very fun. 395 00:38:19.430 --> 00:38:19.849 Doc Chocolate: I don't know. 396 00:38:19.850 --> 00:38:22.500 Shante Spice: show. I follow Fitwife, yeah. 397 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:36.080 Doc Chocolate: Okay, so yeah, michelle was the last one who did it. She did it with Charlie, and she basically… one of the things that I remember was she, like, took a ribbon, and then she, like, separated my… 398 00:38:36.080 --> 00:38:43.429 Doc Chocolate: testicles from each other, and then, like, rolled one thing around the base of my dick. So that's called a harness? 399 00:38:43.430 --> 00:38:44.689 Shante Spice: Yeah, it's a ball harness. 400 00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:45.240 Doc Chocolate: goal, I don't. 401 00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:46.969 Shante Spice: Okay, okay. 402 00:38:47.230 --> 00:38:48.810 Doc Chocolate: I didn't know what the fuck was going on. 403 00:38:48.810 --> 00:38:49.700 Shante Spice: development, like… 404 00:38:49.700 --> 00:38:55.040 Doc Chocolate: Charlie was like, oh my god, your dick looks like a, like a Christmas gift. 405 00:38:55.040 --> 00:38:56.790 Shante Spice: It's all wrapped up. 406 00:38:56.790 --> 00:39:12.779 Doc Chocolate: Yeah! I was like, the fuck is this? And then, yeah, so, like, yeah, they… yeah, yeah, it was fun. They started choking me, and, like, you know, she was, like, even spatting my mouth a little bit, and I was like, oh, I kind of like that. That's my kinky ass. So, anyways. 407 00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:13.340 Shante Spice: fun. 408 00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:20.670 Doc Chocolate: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Hey, everybody's listening to this, they're gonna be like, oh, shit, Shantae's gonna down the shit out of me. 409 00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:28.059 Shante Spice: I'm a very central dom. It's more… I… there's a lot of things I like. I do like a lot of things. 410 00:39:28.850 --> 00:39:33.170 Shante Spice: The more the sub is enjoying himself, or herself. 411 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:41.510 Shante Spice: The more I'm enjoying myself, so there's a play off that, so it does kind of change what I enjoy, depending on who I'm with. 412 00:39:41.700 --> 00:39:45.419 Shante Spice: But there's always a central vibe to it. It's always a… 413 00:39:46.030 --> 00:39:54.750 Shante Spice: kind of, seductive, tease denial kind of play involved, so that's what I enjoy the most. 414 00:39:54.750 --> 00:40:07.619 Doc Chocolate: I love that aspect. So, tell me about content creation. So, like, how did you get into doing OnlyFans, MiniVids, and all of that other stuff? 415 00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:18.109 Shante Spice: Yeah, that, was not on my bingo card. I did not think that that was gonna be part of my life. I actually remember going to Exotica, just as a 416 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:25.360 Shante Spice: one thing to do. My best friend lives in DC, and she's like, oh, there's this thing going on I'd never heard of. 417 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:32.310 Shante Spice: And I remember when I was there, I don't know if it was my husband, or… there's a few people that I was with. 418 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:39.760 Shante Spice: Like, oh, you know, you could do this. I'm like, what are you kidding? There's just never, never in my wildest dreams did it… 419 00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.029 Shante Spice: pop into my mind that this would be my life, but . 420 00:40:44.200 --> 00:40:50.379 Shante Spice: as… Summer of… I don't know, I'm losing track, but anyway, a couple years ago. 421 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.640 Shante Spice: My husband was, traveling, and… 422 00:40:53.640 --> 00:40:54.140 Doc Chocolate: shape. 423 00:40:54.140 --> 00:41:00.210 Shante Spice: I had one of my local play partners, that had come over and paid me a visit. 424 00:41:00.470 --> 00:41:06.569 Shante Spice: And we had, we recorded it. I'd still recorded. I'd done a lot of recording just for fun. 425 00:41:06.570 --> 00:41:07.020 Doc Chocolate: Yeah. 426 00:41:07.020 --> 00:41:11.929 Shante Spice: for ourselves, or if he wasn't there, if Dorian wasn't there, I'd record for him. 427 00:41:11.930 --> 00:41:12.330 Doc Chocolate: Oof. 428 00:41:12.330 --> 00:41:23.230 Shante Spice: So, I was recording this for him, and we were watching it back after, and he's like, this shit's hot. You really… you should do something with this. I'm like, nobody wants to see this. He's like, no, I'm telling you, they do. 429 00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:31.100 Shante Spice: And so, he's like, I know this couple locally that got into content a couple years ago, you should meet them and talk. 430 00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:31.460 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 431 00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:32.320 Shante Spice: Learn about it. 432 00:41:32.670 --> 00:41:34.930 Shante Spice: So that was Angel Minx and Chris Minx. 433 00:41:34.930 --> 00:41:36.520 Doc Chocolate: I love Angel on Christmas. 434 00:41:36.520 --> 00:41:46.240 Shante Spice: So we had gone out and had drinks, and they told me all the… all the details of what they do, and how they do it, and how they get into it, and… 435 00:41:46.600 --> 00:41:52.089 Shante Spice: I'm like, I'll give it a shot, but I really still didn't think anything would come of it. 436 00:41:52.510 --> 00:41:59.720 Shante Spice: And… then… now I… this is my full-time job, so one thing led to another, and here I'm at. 437 00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:02.810 Doc Chocolate: Isn't it crazy how things like that happen? 438 00:42:02.810 --> 00:42:07.410 Shante Spice: Yeah, never, never in a million years did I think this would be my life, but yeah. 439 00:42:07.630 --> 00:42:10.200 Shante Spice: I'm glad it is. Wow. 440 00:42:10.200 --> 00:42:16.380 Doc Chocolate: Okay, so let's go into a quick lightning round. I'm gonna ask you a few quick questions. 441 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.380 Shante Spice: Okay, a lot of pressure. 442 00:42:18.380 --> 00:42:18.899 Doc Chocolate: Were you ready? 443 00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:20.200 Shante Spice: Alright, go for it. 444 00:42:20.200 --> 00:42:26.240 Doc Chocolate: Okay, first question is… Red Bull or Munster in Washington. 445 00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:27.270 Shante Spice: Right, Bill, all the way. 446 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:34.619 Shante Spice: Actually, I do like the taste of Monster better, but it doesn't seem to wake me up, so Red Bull wins for that one. 447 00:42:34.870 --> 00:42:41.679 Doc Chocolate: Okay, I am the same way, I just don't like Monster's taste. I think the taste is, like, ugh. 448 00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:45.499 Shante Spice: At least the variety. There's more options, so you gotta find the right one, but there's… 449 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.400 Shante Spice: Red Bull's just, especially sugar-free, there's not that much, so… But… 450 00:42:50.890 --> 00:42:54.819 Shante Spice: whatever, none of them are great. It's… it serves a purpose, though. 451 00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:57.390 Doc Chocolate: Okay, okay. Alright. 452 00:42:57.390 --> 00:42:58.659 Shante Spice: That was in Quicken Lightning. 453 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.649 Doc Chocolate: Alright, second, Twizzler or Red Vines? 454 00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:03.420 Shante Spice: I don't know what red vines are. 455 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:13.029 Doc Chocolate: They're the ones that… it looks just like Twizzlers, except it tastes like shit. 456 00:43:13.030 --> 00:43:19.819 Shante Spice: But I'm gonna trust your opinion and say Twizzlers, but I'm not a huge… I could live without licorice for the rest of my life, so… 457 00:43:20.110 --> 00:43:21.299 Doc Chocolate: Oh, you're not a licorice girl. 458 00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:22.840 Shante Spice: Yeah, it's fine, but… 459 00:43:23.830 --> 00:43:24.650 Doc Chocolate: Okay. 460 00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:28.429 Doc Chocolate: Third question, In-N-Out, or Jack in the Box? 461 00:43:28.430 --> 00:43:31.559 Shante Spice: I have never been to either. What! 462 00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:32.230 Doc Chocolate: How long have you been… 463 00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:34.820 Shante Spice: I don't really do fast food, and I'm mostly vegetarian, so… 464 00:43:35.590 --> 00:43:41.399 Doc Chocolate: But you've never in your whole entire life, even as a child… 465 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.069 Shante Spice: We don't have them on the East Coast. 466 00:43:43.390 --> 00:43:47.970 Shante Spice: We have… we have… I think Jack in the Box might be south… in the south, but I didn't live down here. 467 00:43:48.140 --> 00:43:49.670 Doc Chocolate: Okay, okay, okay, okay. 468 00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:53.740 Shante Spice: I think I went to an In-N-Out once with an ex-boyfriend and… Okay. 469 00:43:53.900 --> 00:43:58.049 Doc Chocolate: Okay, so we're gonna revise that question. Burger King or McDonald's? 470 00:43:58.050 --> 00:43:58.690 Shante Spice: Ugh. 471 00:43:59.850 --> 00:44:02.459 Shante Spice: McDonald's Fries Burger King Burger. 472 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.849 Doc Chocolate: I agree with you. 473 00:44:03.850 --> 00:44:05.120 Shante Spice: We're taking his business. 474 00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:06.260 Doc Chocolate: Burgers and McDonald's. 475 00:44:06.260 --> 00:44:06.670 Shante Spice: Yes. 476 00:44:06.670 --> 00:44:07.710 Doc Chocolate: fries. 477 00:44:07.710 --> 00:44:08.510 Shante Spice: Okay, cool. 478 00:44:08.620 --> 00:44:10.689 Doc Chocolate: Okay. One last question. 479 00:44:10.690 --> 00:44:11.260 Shante Spice: Yes. 480 00:44:11.720 --> 00:44:12.250 Doc Chocolate: Bye. 481 00:44:12.490 --> 00:44:17.530 Doc Chocolate: Idris Elba or Michael B. Jordan? 482 00:44:18.460 --> 00:44:19.489 Shante Spice: Who's the first person? 483 00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:20.970 Doc Chocolate: Idris Elbaugh. 484 00:44:20.970 --> 00:44:21.889 Shante Spice: I don't know who that is. 485 00:44:21.890 --> 00:44:22.610 Doc Chocolate: What! 486 00:44:23.270 --> 00:44:24.160 Doc Chocolate: watch movies. 487 00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:25.610 Shante Spice: No, I'm not a TV person. 488 00:44:25.610 --> 00:44:27.649 Doc Chocolate: It does! Dammit. 489 00:44:27.650 --> 00:44:35.480 Shante Spice: Yeah, somebody asked me recently what my favorite movie was. I'm like, princess Bride. I'll go for a cult classic, I don't know, because… 490 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.599 Shante Spice: I don't really… I couldn't even tell you the last movie I watched. 491 00:44:38.990 --> 00:44:40.800 Doc Chocolate: Okay, last question. 492 00:44:41.070 --> 00:44:41.620 Shante Spice: Yes. 493 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.500 Doc Chocolate: Ball gag? 494 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.580 Doc Chocolate: Or… vampire gloves. 495 00:44:46.910 --> 00:44:50.029 Shante Spice: Definitely vampire gloves. I love vampire gloves. 496 00:44:50.240 --> 00:44:50.590 Doc Chocolate: Why? 497 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:57.290 Shante Spice: I love them as a sub, first of all, but there's just… there's so many things you can do with them. 498 00:44:58.110 --> 00:44:59.190 Shante Spice: Way more variety. 499 00:44:59.190 --> 00:45:04.290 Doc Chocolate: I love it! Alright, great. Thank you for answering these questions, Ms. 500 00:45:04.290 --> 00:45:05.190 Shante Spice: Shantae's… 501 00:45:05.190 --> 00:45:30.179 Doc Chocolate: And I'm gonna ask you one last, it's not really me asking you a question, but it's me having you give somebody that is listening to this, maybe it's a husband, and he has a wife that's, similar to you, where, she wants to get into doing dom stuff or whatnot. Maybe it's a woman who's listening to this. 502 00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:36.570 Doc Chocolate: She wants to be like Shantae Spice when she grows up. Like, what piece of advice would you give to them? 503 00:45:36.910 --> 00:45:46.000 Doc Chocolate: So let us know that, and then also give us your website address one more time, and we will call it a show. 504 00:45:46.150 --> 00:45:50.609 Shante Spice: Okay, advice, just… 505 00:45:51.120 --> 00:46:00.549 Shante Spice: Let go of shame, find what you enjoy, and just do it. Just let it… just be in the moment, just be yourself. 506 00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:08.549 Shante Spice: And don't force it, because when you force it, it's never gonna work. You really just have to… 507 00:46:09.850 --> 00:46:24.269 Shante Spice: take a deep breath and play with it, and things will feel weird sometimes until they don't. But really, sex is supposed to be fun, and if you're not enjoying it, if you're not smiling, if you're not… 508 00:46:24.450 --> 00:46:29.719 Shante Spice: Really, if you're not done saying, fuck, that was a good time, then it's probably not right for you. 509 00:46:30.710 --> 00:46:39.960 Shante Spice: Oh, and website. Shantespice.com, Twitter is Hotwife Shante. Most things are just Shante Spice. Instagram, I got… 510 00:46:40.100 --> 00:46:45.740 Shante Spice: shut down at one point, so Shantae Spice 69. But yeah, most things are Shante Spice. 511 00:46:46.490 --> 00:46:52.539 Doc Chocolate: Beautiful! This has been Hot Wife Shantae Spice. 512 00:46:52.540 --> 00:47:10.879 Doc Chocolate: check her out right now at shantespice.com, and your man, Doc Chocolates, and you can check me out at DocChocolatefans.com. So until next time, you guys be blessed, never stressed, stay sexy, have fun, do your best play, but keep it safe. 513 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:22.099 Doc Chocolate: If you're a Dom, do your Dom stuff. If you're a sub, do your sub stuff. If you're a Switch like me, never switch to do something different. So until next time, we will see y'all later. Goodbye! 514 00:47:22.100 --> 00:47:23.250 Shante Spice: Bye-bye!