149 | Should Single Guys Get Charged an Arm and a Leg at Lifestyle Clubs?

[00:00:02] Speaker A: You are now listening to the Bulls and Queens podcast, where we have sexy fun exploring the lifestyle and swinging exploits of black bulls, queens of spades, cuckold fantasies, open relationships, seductive interracial enc and other kinky shenanigans that are sure to get you off in a very good way. So get ready, ladies, and make sure you take notes, gentlemen, because here is your host, that super sexy, bald black man candy Doc Chocolate. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Sup's up, everybody? It's Dot Chocolate with Bulls and Queens, and I am here with Fun Charlie. [00:01:15] Speaker C: Hi, Fun Charlie here. [00:01:16] Speaker B: And we're coming at you with another episode of your favorite lifestyle podcast. So before we get started, I want y' all to go ahead and check out my fun stuff that I have. It is@doc chocolatefans.com and Charlie, where are you at? [00:01:39] Speaker C: Funcharli.com Find all of my spicy dirty dirty videos there. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Okay, and what are we talking about today, Charlie? [00:01:48] Speaker C: Single guys. [00:01:49] Speaker B: Single guys. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Specifically in what? [00:01:52] Speaker C: In the capacity of getting into clubs. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Getting into lifestyle clubs. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Yes. [00:01:58] Speaker B: All right, so as a quick. Not a disclaimer, but like, as a quick summary, give us like the 15 second elevator pitch of what went on that. [00:02:13] Speaker C: That spawned it. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Yes, that spawned this episode. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Okay, so Boston Bob. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker C: Okay. My ex had a weekend in Florida and he went to Secrets Saturday evening. And it cost how much? [00:02:32] Speaker B: Drum roll. [00:02:33] Speaker C: 370 fucking dollars. For one evening? Not even staying the night. One evening. [00:02:43] Speaker B: So $370? United States dollars. [00:02:47] Speaker C: Yes. For a night pass? [00:02:50] Speaker B: Wow. [00:02:51] Speaker C: Yes. [00:02:51] Speaker B: For just a night pass? [00:02:52] Speaker C: For just the night pass. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Not even full day? [00:02:54] Speaker C: No. [00:02:55] Speaker B: Wow. How did he feel about it? [00:02:58] Speaker C: I. Actually, now I'm questioning. I'm making. Even if it was the whole day, I'm going to find that out real quick. [00:03:05] Speaker B: That's a lot of money. [00:03:07] Speaker C: That's still a ton of money. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:09] Speaker C: And it's not, again, the more expensive you make it, you're not keeping out the creepy guys. You're just making it so that the creepy guys want to absolutely get play. So you're making them more aggressive and more creepy the higher the expense, because there's no guarantee that you're gonna play. So these guys are putting this money down on the. The hopes, the. The. The like, million, you know, like the potential. You're saying there's a chance, you know, kind of situation. [00:03:43] Speaker B: The pussy potential. [00:03:43] Speaker C: Yeah, the pussy potential. And it's like, okay, those guys are going to be so aggressive, and that is not helping things. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Okay, so. And we're going to do a deep dive into that here but first, we want to talk a little bit about what happened during our week and our weekend. Right? [00:04:02] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:03] Speaker B: All right. So starting off, shall I start first or should you start? [00:04:08] Speaker C: You should start. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Okay. I thought it was ladies first. So basically this past week, we had lifestyle meetups, and we also linked up with content creators. Yes. So the first people that we linked up with was Michelle Rain. She's from Wisconsin. And then we hooked up with Derek Malone. [00:04:34] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's based out of Vegas and Miami. Yes. So, yeah, he's new. [00:04:40] Speaker C: He was really fun. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So how did that go? [00:04:43] Speaker C: Very well. We're hopefully. We're making plans to do some more stuff, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's fun. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, Michelle's fun. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Yes, she was. She was absolutely fun. And I learned. I learned a lot about tying balls. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Balls. [00:04:57] Speaker C: Balls. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:58] Speaker C: Testicles. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Testicles. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this was my third time shooting with Michelle. You can get her links from the show notes. Beautiful lady. And she likes to delve into doing a little bit of BDSM style play, right? [00:05:17] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes, yes. She's very dummy, I feel like, even if she tries to not be dumb and she can't help it. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:24] Speaker C: She just is dummy. [00:05:25] Speaker B: It's in her soul. [00:05:26] Speaker C: It's in her soul. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:27] Speaker C: So, yes. [00:05:29] Speaker B: And she. I actually interviewed her in a past episode. I forget what episode number that was, but. Yeah. She was talking about using soundings in guys dicks. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker B: And putting it in their pee hole. [00:05:43] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. That. [00:05:45] Speaker B: She didn't do it to me, though. [00:05:46] Speaker C: Awful. No, but. No, but like, to give a little context, your first shoot with her, she had her husband strapped to electrical electrode thingies. And so every time she came. Every time you made her come, she zapped her husband. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Yep. [00:06:03] Speaker C: So that was like your first introduction. [00:06:06] Speaker B: My first introduction into the world of Michelle Rain. Yeah. Yeah. [00:06:10] Speaker C: So that's. [00:06:10] Speaker B: She was raining terror. [00:06:13] Speaker C: Yes. [00:06:14] Speaker B: She's fun. She's a whole lot of fun. And basically what she did, because we filmed two scenes, and then one of the scenes, it was you, me and her. [00:06:23] Speaker C: Yes. [00:06:23] Speaker B: And she basically took a ribbon and she separated my balls. My testicles. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Yep. [00:06:30] Speaker B: And she. From my dick. And then she tied a ribbon and made my dick and my balls look like a Christmas gift. [00:06:38] Speaker C: It was really pretty. I mean, like, visually, it was gorgeous. [00:06:42] Speaker B: She made my dick look pretty. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Yes. I think we're going to have to do some still shots of that area, that part of the video, so we can post. Because it's really art. It looks artistic almost. Yeah. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. They Made my dick look like art. [00:06:55] Speaker C: And then we got on that dick. [00:06:56] Speaker B: And then you got on my dick. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:58] Speaker B: And then you shot with Derek for the first time. [00:07:01] Speaker C: I did, yes. We were. We planned to do like hours in the day and then we were going to meet Michelle at night, but things happened and so everything was kind of combined. So we didn't get to do as much as we wanted to. But yes, we got to. He got to shoot with her, he got to shoot with me. He's a lot of fun and very, very professional. So if you have not looked him up, definitely Derek Malonex, I believe on Twitter. [00:07:31] Speaker B: And his links will also be in the show notes. And so we had a great, like literally all day scene and filming on that day. I think it was like a Tuesday. And. And then Thursday we had a lady that we met a few weeks ago at the lifestyle party at the pool party, right? [00:07:52] Speaker C: Yes. [00:07:52] Speaker B: And her name is a unicorn. A unicorn. You know, we love our unicorns, baby. And so her name is Chloe Doll, a lovely blonde MILF lady. And she was actually just getting into doing content creation. So we're like, hey, let's have some fun, right? [00:08:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:11] Speaker B: So we actually linked up with her off camera and had some lifestyle fun. It was a couple weeks ago. [00:08:17] Speaker C: It was our first off camera session with a single woman. Or a woman alone. [00:08:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:25] Speaker C: And it was. Went very well. [00:08:27] Speaker B: It did, yeah. Did. [00:08:28] Speaker C: It was success. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker C: So then we were like, hey, she's fun. Let's. She's pretty cool. Let's. Let's help her out. So we did. So you did a, A shoot with her? [00:08:39] Speaker A: Two. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Two shoots, yeah. So she had just got tested and so those testing for shoots, they cost a lot of money. [00:08:48] Speaker C: A lot of money. [00:08:48] Speaker B: A lot of money. So like whenever you get tested, you want to get as many shoots as possible. So my people that are content creators, porn stars, y' all know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. So we did two shoots and that. It was like a late night shoot this past Thursday. And that was super fun. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Yes, it was. It was a lot of fun. [00:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. She played the nurse. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Yes. [00:09:09] Speaker B: And I played the. The invalid. [00:09:11] Speaker C: Yes. And that has. You haven't done that yet, have you? That's really nice. Yeah, we need to do that more. [00:09:16] Speaker B: We definitely do. Yeah, we definitely do. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Calling for you. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Yes. So you can find out more information about Chloe Doll. And she is also going to be in the show notes. Notes. [00:09:29] Speaker C: Yep. [00:09:29] Speaker B: And so after that, what happened next on Saturday? [00:09:35] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, right. Well, yeah, so last Sunday we There was an impromptu flirts pool party. It was like a private pool party that ended up opening up to the public. So we gr. We were like, hell, yeah, let's do this. It was the last one, and we happen to meet a couple there, actually, right when we walked in, I think you and her locked eyes. And it was like. Just like, ooh. And you guys had immediate chemistry. And I was like, oh, that's hot. I want to see them fuck. Definitely. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Trust me, I wanted to see us just as much as you wanted to see us. And so she was. She. She's pretty much almost built the same as you. [00:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah, she's. [00:10:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:18] Speaker C: Very similar. Yeah. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Slender and she's. Except she's a brunette. Yes. And she actually surprised me with her age, you know, so we won't. [00:10:29] Speaker C: Both of them. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah, we won't name their names because their lifestyle. They're not content creators. But she was 63 years old. [00:10:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Like, wow. [00:10:40] Speaker C: Yeah. Both of them were in their 60s, and they look like they could easily pass 50s, 40s. 50s. [00:10:47] Speaker B: Easily. Yeah. [00:10:48] Speaker C: And we're just like, okay, yeah, these are like. Because we're older and. But everybody mistakes us for younger. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:56] Speaker C: And I think. I honestly think that part of it is because we're in the lifestyle and it keeps you young. You're around young people, you're around, you know, you're not sitting at home watching tv, letting yourself, you know, slowly sink into that. [00:11:11] Speaker B: That died. [00:11:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah. And it did also help that. It did also help that they have been in the fitness industry for, like, years and years and years and years. So. But I find it hot, a woman that's, like, that much older than me because she's. She has 18 years on me. Yeah. So. So anyway. So you met her guy. [00:11:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:11:34] Speaker B: And we exchanged information. And this was a. About a week or so ago, so we all finally met up this past Saturday. And we won't go into too much detail because we still need to ask their permission, but I will say one. [00:11:50] Speaker C: Thing, because the main. Excuse me. The main reason that this went forward fast and like, okay, we're always learning and trying to figure out how the best way to go up to people and whatever. But I was just like, okay, they might be leaving. This might happen fast. So I was like, is it rude if I just go up to her and like, hey, do you guys swap? Do you guys. Hot wife, whatever. What's your date night? And she. And he's like, no. And I'm like, all right, that's what I did. And she Was super glad that I did because they were getting ready to leave and stuff. So it was like, don't overthink it. Just freaking go up to people, ask them it. All they can do is say no. And that's, you know, then move on. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Then, you know, just like Nike, just do it. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah. So then at least you're not going, oh, what if that. What would happen if we did that? [00:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah, what if, what if, what if? And I think the issue, Charlie, is so many people, they fear rejection. Yes. [00:12:47] Speaker C: You know, I understand that. [00:12:48] Speaker B: They're like, oh, what if we ask and they say no? Or blah, blah, blah, you know, hey, it happens. You know, we're all adults and I feel like. Especially if you meet somebody. Right. So, like, obviously we knew that there was connection, you know, so, like, for sure. And I mean, it didn't hurt that me and her were, like, making out, like, inside the pool house for a good minute. So. Yeah, I already knew there was. Interesting. [00:13:13] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, inside. [00:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:15] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Very nice. Okay. Yeah. [00:13:17] Speaker A: All right. [00:13:17] Speaker B: So that was pretty hot. [00:13:19] Speaker C: Nice. [00:13:21] Speaker B: So, yeah, yeah, we. Yeah, you got their information? [00:13:24] Speaker C: I did. [00:13:25] Speaker B: And we linked up last night and we didn't get home till like, 2, 3 o' clock in the morning. Saturday night was a Saturday night. [00:13:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Okay. Saturday night going into. [00:13:37] Speaker C: So I was like, I don't feel that bad today. Yeah, definitely. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So that was a fun time. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Yes. But we were crazy fun. [00:13:43] Speaker B: We will ask their permission to see if we can discuss it on a future episode, which y' all definitely want to hear the full episodes of that night. [00:13:51] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Yes. It was one of the few evenings where we both equally had a blast. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:13:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And I may have broke her hand. [00:14:01] Speaker C: You might have accidentally. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, more on that. So. And then the last thing that we did was we met with another creator and she was in town to do a shoot with another person. And she's a cute little French girl from France, obviously. French girl from France. She's very, very French. Yeah, she's very, very fresh. [00:14:27] Speaker C: Super thick accent. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah, super thick accent. [00:14:29] Speaker C: Super sweet. [00:14:30] Speaker B: Yeah, super sweet. And I'm sure she'll taste super sweet whenever. [00:14:33] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Whenever we link up with her. But she was visiting from la, so we had a chance to take her out to. To dinner before she drove back to la. Her name is Hope Fontaine, and you can see her links at the show Notes. But she has this thing where she says, what is the French word for hello? It is bonjour. Oh, yeah, she says like, bonjour, motherfucker. You know, like a thick accent. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Oh, that's good. [00:15:08] Speaker B: And so. Yeah, so we're definitely gonna have fun with Ms. Hope Fontaine, for sure. One thing I like about her, though, is she's also lifestyle. [00:15:17] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes. [00:15:19] Speaker B: So. [00:15:19] Speaker C: Right. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So a lot of the people that we film with, guys and ladies listening to this, we like to film with people that are lifestyle in the. As their foundation, but then they also do content on the side. Yes. Just because we have different experiences. Because. [00:15:34] Speaker C: Very different. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah, because, like, just because we're filming content doesn't mean we just want to film content. And it's just for business purposes. [00:15:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. It still has to be fun. [00:15:45] Speaker B: Yeah. So it has to be fun. And you have to laugh as many. Yeah. You have to laugh as many times as you come. [00:15:49] Speaker C: Yes. That's a rule. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:52] Speaker B: This rule number 69. [00:15:54] Speaker C: No. And we've talked about it multiple times that people that do content that started in the lifestyle, it's just. Just a totally different vibe. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Yes. Very, very different. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Because there's a lot of people that are in porn that don't even like. And they're, you know, which is crazy. This is crazy. And it's like, you know, you do you. That's awesome. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:14] Speaker C: But it definitely not gonna be doing us. No, it definitely brings a different vibe to the table when you're, you know, making content. So it's like. Yeah, no, it is much more enjoyable. [00:16:23] Speaker B: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So. But we are going to break for our commercial and after these messages, we're going to talk about single guys in the lifestyle going to parties. Pardon the interruption if you're a cuckold gentleman, a stag, a voyeur, or maybe you're just a woman that likes to watch amateur BBC porn. If you are, I got a question to ask you. Do you want to follow Doc Chocolate's sexy ass adventures in playtime that I have with the most gorgeous hot wives, queens of spades and milfs out there? Now, if you answered yes, then you want to go ahead and pause this episode right now and go to my website@bullsandqueens.com and subscribe to my free OnlyFans page. 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[00:18:50] Speaker B: All right, so tell us about that. [00:18:51] Speaker C: All right. As we were talking about in the beginning, men, it's. It is a widespread understood thing that for some reason clubs think that overcharging single guys will make it safer. And honestly, I feel like they're not caring so much about the safety as much as they're caring about the money. Because most people, most especially most ladies, agree that it isn't keeping out the creeps. It is creating a situation where those guys that have the money, the more they're having to spend, the more aggressive they are going to be because they want to. And so it's like you're almost charging them as much as it is for like a sex worker. Like, what's, what's why, you know, like, seriously, what. Why do you think that that is a deterrent? It's not a deterrent. And there are multiple reasons other than them being creepy, you know, True. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Who being creepy? [00:20:02] Speaker C: The guys? Yes, the single guys. There's. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Are you saying that guys are single guys are creepy? [00:20:07] Speaker C: No, I do not want it. Okay. There is always a couple got single guys that ruin it for everybody. We have. I, I will say every once in a while in a club, I it there you can tell when they are just charging a lot because it's like, okay, well, the guys look nicer, but they're still creepy. So it's like you can't, you know. Yeah. But yes, there are a few guys that have ruined. Not ruined it for me specifically, but it's like it pisses me off when they are creepy because younger I'm, I'm. I'm 50. I don't put up with. Now there's still some times when I'm in my head and I can't get myself to tell Somebody, you know, no. Or whatever. The. But for the most part, I'm willing to tell them, you know, fuck off, you know, don't touch, you're too close, whatever. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Or she'll say, absolutely not. Like in the last episode. [00:21:08] Speaker C: Oh, my God. But younger women aren't that bold and they won't tell them. And so they. They've got this guy jerking off in their. In their face and they don't realize they don't have to put up with that. And so it's like. That is the frustrating part about the single guy part. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And single guys, please, please, please, if you don't hear or retain any information outside of these words that I'm about to vocalize right now and verbalize, please understand and retain this for your long term memory. Don't be out there jacking off in front of people's faces and whatnot, and stroking your dick and your junk and stuff like that in their vicinity. No bueno. Not good. That makes that creeps woman the out. [00:21:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker B: You know, that ends the party. [00:21:56] Speaker C: Yeah. So I was thinking, okay, the. The things that have been creepy that I have witnessed a guy following me and my friends around at Secrets from. Because we were going to the playroom and so they followed. He followed us into the locker, followed us into the playroom. [00:22:16] Speaker B: It's a locker room. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Yep. Followed us back out. Like, he, he was just following and it was just like. Finally we. We were like, we turned, you know, we're like, you gotta back off. Like. [00:22:26] Speaker B: So was he like following you at a distance or was it like very noticeable? [00:22:31] Speaker C: It was noticeable. It was noticeable. And we were in that. We were in that mode where we were like, not being bold enough to tell him off it until it pissed us off to the point where it's like, all right. You know what I mean? [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:42] Speaker C: The other. Most of the other creepiness has been what you were talking about, where it's like I'm getting fucked on a public bed or whatever, and some dude comes over and is standing over me, almost directly over me, just stroking his dick. He hasn't asked if he can come closer. He didn't ask if he could come in my personal space or whatever. And that is absolutely. Fuck no. We've had. I've had. I mean, for crying out loud, I've had couples be creepy and sometimes the women can be creepier and shittier than the guys, you know, like touching and stuff like that, so. [00:23:24] Speaker B: But it's more socially acceptable. I'm just being real, you know, like, let's Turn the PC political correct button off. It's more acceptable for women to be creepy than it is for guys to be creepy. [00:23:37] Speaker A: It is. [00:23:38] Speaker C: It is. You guys can, for the most part, defend themselves and, you know, it's not gonna. It's not gonna turn violent, most likely. [00:23:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:45] Speaker C: Women are just. Yeah. So, yeah, most of the time it's. It's guys, like, following or being too close when they're jacking off or trying to watch or. Or like, one time at a club here, which the guy could tell that you and I were probably down to fuck and some stuff was happening. We must have been, you know, talking and a little loudly, but he sensed our sex energy. Yeah, we were in that mood, and so he was following us around and following us around. And then as soon as the couple. The guy of the couple that we were hanging out with pulled his dick out and I started sucking it, that guy came right over and started touching my leg. And I was like, motherfucker. I knew that that's what he was doing. And I was just like, don't. I was just like. I immediately bit up his head. I was like, get the fuck back. I was like, you don't fucking touch people. That is not consent. You do not get consent by starting to touch. First you ask them if. Okay. Especially if you don't know them. And you. And you. Especially if you don't know them. You ask consent to touch. You don't touch and see if they react badly. That's not consent. [00:24:56] Speaker B: That's. That's backwards. [00:24:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:57] Speaker C: So, yeah. Okay. [00:24:59] Speaker B: That's. That's you considering to getting an ass whooping. [00:25:02] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. [00:25:03] Speaker B: If you do it that way, guys. [00:25:05] Speaker C: Yes. [00:25:05] Speaker B: So. And look, guys. Most guys, I want to say, probably 95, 96 of guys out there, they're doing it right. Yeah, the single guys, great. They go out to the club. They're perfect. They're awesome. They're gentlemen and whatnot, you know? So. So, yeah, keep that in mind. [00:25:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:25:25] Speaker B: So let's go ahead and preface, like, what happened with Boston Bob. Let's detail that story. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Okay. Where he paid for the. Okay. How do. Well, I don't know very much. I just know that he went for the evening, had to pay, that he didn't even stay that long. [00:25:43] Speaker B: How much? [00:25:44] Speaker C: $370 for the evening. He wasn't renting a room. He wasn't getting to stay overnight. He was paying for the evening. Like, that is insane. That's insane. [00:26:00] Speaker B: It is. [00:26:01] Speaker C: That is insane. I'm just, like, floored and I'M pissed off. I'm. Yeah. Because again, it's not keeping the creepy people out. No, it's not the. Yeah. [00:26:14] Speaker B: And as a devil's advocates, you know, being an entrepreneur and a businessman, I'm a total capitalist. Right. So my feelings on it is any type of business or institution that wants to charge price for, you know, let's say, admission, a service, a product or whatever, as long as the people that are actually consuming it, they're buying it, they want to play that. Pay that exorbitant amount of money, and they feel happy with it. They feel like, hey, they got good value in return for their money. I feel like, hey, charge away. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:51] Speaker B: So, like, if a club wants to charge, let's say, $15,000 for a guy to go in, you know, to enter in the club. [00:26:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:59] Speaker B: And he's happy about it. Okay. Charge that dude $15,000, you know. [00:27:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:04] Speaker B: If they want to charge a $50 for that guy to go into the club and everybody's happy, hey, by all God, you. You do that. [00:27:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:14] Speaker B: You know, so that's just my standpoint on it. [00:27:17] Speaker C: But don't do it under the guise of that you're trying to keep the ladies safe. Bullshit. Bullshit. I call bullshit. The better way to do that is to have couples sponsor the single guys. I'm not saying that you. You don't charge them more. That's fine. Whatever. I'm saying that $370 for an evening at Secrets is insane. And that's such bullshit. But I would like to touch on the other reason. [00:27:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:48] Speaker C: That it's not the most popular reason, and it's gonna cause a little, you know, riff, maybe. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Ooh, rift. [00:27:56] Speaker C: A little rift. Yeah. So the other reason a lot of the single guys are not welcome and is because of the husbands. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:28:04] Speaker C: And explain that. So the husbands. And we have actually ran into this situation, like, literally broke up a. A possible orgy because of one guy. [00:28:15] Speaker B: I remember that. Yeah. I remember that. [00:28:18] Speaker C: What happened was there were three couples. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:21] Speaker C: And Boston Bob was with us. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:23] Speaker C: And I'm like, I'm bringing two nice dicks to the party. And so if I'm bringing these guys, I'm not going to be fucking them. I'm going to be fucking the other guys. [00:28:36] Speaker B: True. [00:28:38] Speaker C: The one dude, one of the couples of the couples freaked out because there was an extra dick and probably because it was a black dick. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:50] Speaker C: This was a white guy. [00:28:52] Speaker B: So Charlie was reading a double skin scoop of chocolate. [00:28:54] Speaker C: Yes, I was. I was bringing that chocolate. [00:28:56] Speaker B: Double scoop of chocolates. [00:28:57] Speaker C: Right? [00:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:58] Speaker C: I mean, I'm from Charlie. You gotta bring the fun. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:01] Speaker C: So he freaked out and got all upset. He freaked the outbring, brought a. An extra deck, which is totally fine that he wants to opt out. As soon as there was any kind of inkling, Boston Bob knew what was up and he. He dipped out. [00:29:20] Speaker B: He bounced. Yeah, yeah, he bounced. [00:29:22] Speaker C: So the fact that he freaked out before we could even like, talk to him about it or. It was very clear. Because this person is not the most personal personable person. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Correct. [00:29:38] Speaker C: And which is the exact reason this is all kind of bullshit. Because it's like the. The swing. Being a swinger, I feel like there's a misconception that swinging isn't like dating. It is very much like dating. Like, it is, you. You gotta come prepare people. You're okay. People have got to want to fuck you. And if you are going off of the hotness of your wife or you are like, you know, this is me that take me as I am. That is totally fine. But you can't also then complain that you're not getting any play because. And so this is one of the reasons why the husbands get frustrated that there are single guys. There is. Because the single guys, a lot of the time take care of themselves. They are athletic. They are, you know, taking this seriously. They are not just, you know, going, yeah, let's all fucking whatever, you know, and yeah, I'm gonna have fun. But some of the. The husbands don't necessarily put the other woman's pleasure at the top of their list. [00:30:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:54] Speaker C: They are not caring about their hygiene. We look, you know, there's so many. There's so many reasons why it is hard to do for four way swaps. Because of what? Women are often not attracted to the husband because the husband is not really making much of an effort. So to that I'm like, okay, that's frustrating because it's like, come on, you can't. You. If you want to get. You got to put in effort. [00:31:25] Speaker B: True, true. And I personally feel that whenever you go to a lifestyle club, usually nine times out of 10, like, the women are hot. [00:31:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker B: You know, like literally most of the women that you see in a lifestyle club, depending on which one it is, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to jump on that ride. [00:31:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:43] Speaker B: But the guys, this is a different story. You know, usually talking about the husbands. [00:31:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:49] Speaker B: And so the thing is, yeah, obviously our wives, our ladies, our female counterparts. Partners. Yeah, they're gonna be pretty and whatnot. But guys we have to, you know, you gotta dress the part, you gotta smell the part. You know, be like, you know, clean yourself up a bit. Right. You know, wear some decent looking clothes that actually fit you. You know, even if you are bringing in the money and you have a trophy wife. Take care of your body, you know, take care of your diet, take care of your, your fitness, you know, I'm not saying you gotta, you know, have like a six pack abs and you know, bulging muscles, but you know, at least take care of yourself, you know, from a physical perspective. [00:32:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:33] Speaker B: Because a lot of times what happens is at lifestyle clubs when you have a couple, the reason why there is what a swapping between the two couples is because the two ladies are hot. You know, convention. And I hate using the word hot because people are going to be like, well know, what is hot? You know, hot is whatever you want. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Attractive. [00:32:57] Speaker B: At the very least, they're conventionally attractive. Yeah, right. And then the guys are maybe not. So. Right. [00:33:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:03] Speaker B: But because there's like equal reciprocity. [00:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Going on. [00:33:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:08] Speaker B: The woman is like, okay, I'll let you swap with my guy that's. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:13] Speaker B: That looks like Barney Rubble. [00:33:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker B: And your guy looks like Fred Flintstone. And then they're like, okay, yeah, yeah. Because they don't care because they're, they're, they're each getting, you know, fine ass. Betty Rubble and Wilma Flintstone. [00:33:24] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, exactly. [00:33:26] Speaker B: Don't ask me why I went. [00:33:28] Speaker C: That was good. [00:33:29] Speaker B: Betty. Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble are hot. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:33] Speaker C: Yeah. That's good examples actually. [00:33:35] Speaker B: You know, I want to go to Jurassic Park. Yeah. I want to go to Jurassic park and have them jump my bone. [00:33:40] Speaker C: Yeah. Bo. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Okay. Ah, you see where I want that? All right, you know, we will have a yabba dabadoo time. [00:33:47] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. And the husband situation is a huge reason why women complain and why there are issues trying to find good matches with your partner. Just, it's just very, very frustrating because the guy, especially if the guy is kind of going full force ahead, he's seeing all these attractive women and he's getting really frustrated because the wife is like, I don't want to fuck that. And you know, it's like nobody blames you. Nobody blames you. It's, it's a, it's an issue. But it's like, I feel like the, the single guys should offer a little competition so that they do. The guys do kind of step up and. [00:34:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:34] Speaker C: You know, I agree. [00:34:35] Speaker B: I agree. You know, because one, and that's another Thing or reason why? I believe that a lot of lifestyle clubs, especially the ones that cater towards swapping towards, you know, couples. Couples. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:51] Speaker B: One reason why they want to limit the number of single guys is because many of the single guys that come in, you know, they're. They're studs. Yeah, there's some physical studs. Right. And so that does create competition for the husbands, right? [00:35:05] Speaker C: Yeah, it does. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Yeah. The wife sees this dude over here and he's looking like, you know, freaking, you know, he's looking like Jason Momoa. [00:35:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:12] Speaker B: And they're like, she's wife is like, I want to get with Jason Momoa. I don't want to get afraid of Flintstone. [00:35:18] Speaker C: Yeah, no. Hell no. Yeah, so that is. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Yeah. No, seriously, like it's. And I didn't realize that when I got into the lifestyle. I got into the lifestyle in my late 30s and this was about seven, eight years ago, and it was with my ex. And when we would go to the lifestyle parties, a lot of them out here in Vegas, like, especially the pool parties, they were like parties where you had to get naked. [00:35:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:35:46] Speaker B: It was just fun. Yeah, of course, that was kinky. And so, so, like we would go there and you know, we're in our late 30s and a lot of the people back then were in their 40s, 50s, some in their 60s. And you know, from a physical perspective, you know, I was, you know, I was, you know, you were a stud. You know, somewhat like a stud. [00:36:10] Speaker C: Chocolate stud. [00:36:11] Speaker B: A little chocolate stud. Right. And like, some of the guys will give me the craziest ass looks like this. Right. And like, you know, made me feel good about myself. I was like, oh, damn. Like, like I had a lot of women coming on to me like that. [00:36:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:26] Speaker B: But like, I felt, you know, that there, you know, you could kind of feel envy and tension and jealousy from the. The husbands. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker B: And, you know, I personally feel that, you know, as men, we have to take care of ourselves physically. You know, don't just rely on the fact that you are a provider. You got, let's say, you know, a six figure job contract, you know, business, seven figures or whatever, and you can let yourself go physically. And while your wife looks, you know, fine as fuck, you know, like, take care of your body, you know, take care of your hygiene, you know, look, you know, look decent. Yeah, you know. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:37:07] Speaker B: You have a good time, you know, because again, us men, we don't necessarily need to look, you know, as a man, you don't need to look pretty, you know. [00:37:15] Speaker C: Yeah. And we're not. It's, it's, it's crazy how much women aren't asking for a lot. That's how bad it is. Like, that's how much guy the husbands are showing up. It's so I, it's unbelievable sometimes how they, it looks like they just got out of bed, picked up the first pair of pants that they saw on. [00:37:38] Speaker B: The floor that was wrinkled. [00:37:40] Speaker C: Yeah, that's wrinkled. Threw some gym shoes on and was like, all right, let's go. And his wife is all decked out to the, to the night, to the sea. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:37:48] Speaker C: And she looks amazing. And he's walking around in gym shoes and cargo pants. [00:37:53] Speaker B: That and some pumas. [00:37:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:56] Speaker B: The like 25 years old. [00:37:57] Speaker C: Yeah. With like a stretch out shirt. You know, it's just, it's, it's super frustrating. And that same guy is, I guarantee you he's at home bitching at his wife because they can't do, you know, they can't swap and stuff. But the wife is doing everything that she needs to be doing. And so yeah, it is a, it's a, it's a issue. [00:38:17] Speaker B: It's a big problem. It's a big issue. [00:38:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:20] Speaker B: So, but so, I mean, going back to the single guys. So Boston Bob, from what you know so far about the story, like, what did he think about paying like 340plus dollars for a night to get in? [00:38:40] Speaker C: Well, I guarantee you he's like, just fuck it, I'm just gonna pay it. Because you know, he, you can try to find a lady to get you in, but some, you know, it's not always possible, especially if everybody's, you know, got a date for that night. So I guarantee you he was just like, ugh, this is my only night out. You know, I'm gonna pay it and see what happens. And hopefully I'll have you know he's, he's a fun person. So he knows he's gonna have fun, but still it's like he doesn't know that he's gonna be able to hook up. And if he's, you know, one of the other guys, he's going to be more aggressive and more like, I'm going to get my freaking almost $400 worth. And it's like. [00:39:22] Speaker B: True. Yeah, true. So. And we will talk more about that after these commercial messages. Hey there, cucks. Stags and ladies, do you want to meet up with me Da Chocolate and have a sexy experience of your life for your hot wife? Now if you answered yes, then you must check out Doc Chocolate's hot wife training days@hotwifetrainingday.com now, if you've ever seen one of my sexy videos that I've recorded with hot wives, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. What's going to happen is your wife is going to get wine and dined by me. There's going to be heavy sexy flirting. There's going to be an aromatherapeutic experience with me in a very low lit sensual environment with soft music playing in the background while your hot wife gets a world famous dark chocolate. 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Yeah. Because I walked in in the middle of it while you're being filmed. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:32] Speaker B: And I was like, damn. So, and then also make sure you check out my stuff@diechocolatefans.com and if you are visiting Las Vegas and you want a central massage for your wife, make sure you hit me me up. And you'll find all that information@.chocolatefans.com so before the commercial, we were talking about single guys and the lifestyle and the exorbitant amount of money they pay. And lifestyle clubs will tend to say that they're charging a higher amount so that they can basically filter out the bad guys from the good guys. Right. And then our contention is that that doesn't necessarily work. [00:42:22] Speaker C: Nope. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:42:23] Speaker C: It really doesn't. [00:42:23] Speaker B: Okay, so what is your take on how to basically get the best of both worlds? Right. So try and get as many good guys as you can that are single. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Without like charging them an arm and a leg. [00:42:43] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. So one of the meet and greets that Boston Bob and I used to go to, they have a very we. I feel like this was probably the best way of doing it that I have come across. And basically what they do is every single guy that comes to the meet and greets, they have to be sponsored by a couple. [00:43:07] Speaker B: Okay. [00:43:08] Speaker C: They can they come three times sponsored by that same couple. And if in those three times they have behaved themselves, they've proved that they can drink without getting rowdy and getting gross and you know, whatever, then, then they can start coming on their own. And being sponsored by a couple means that that couple needs to go with you and they are responsible for you. So if you get into shit, you. They are, they are responsible. Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker B: So they have a vested interest to make sure that they don't bring with them. [00:43:40] Speaker C: Yes, yes. And they, this, this particular meet and greet couple even goes as far as if a couple breaks up and the guy wants to start coming, he also has to be sponsored by a couple because they were like, you would not believe how many husbands do not behave themselves when the wife is gone. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Who would have figured that one out, right? [00:44:05] Speaker C: So I feel like, okay, charge the single guys more. They're the, you know, the odd man out. Sure. But honestly I feel like I know that swinging is couple centered, but we also are want to have fun. [00:44:26] Speaker B: True. [00:44:27] Speaker C: And I particularly me get super frustrated now. We've gotten our game down a lot better. We are freaking killing it on point. Yes. But there are times and spreads of time when you find a lot of wives that you're like into. But I am struggling to want to the guy. [00:44:54] Speaker B: Okay, true. [00:44:55] Speaker C: And so I have found like different party, like the mocha type parties. Splash mocha parties where there's way more single guys and stuff to go. I, I, I kind of pepper my lifestyle in with those kinds of things to, you know, make up for it. But we should, you know, we shouldn't have to do that. Everybody wants to party and have fun, fun and, and we can all do that. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And, and look, my personal concession again, you know, being a capitalist, you know, is your business. So you can run it however the hell you want to. So if you're throwing lifestyle parties or you have a club, hey, you can do whatever the hell you want to. If you're censored around just basically couples and the couple dynamic. And those are your patrons. Your patrons. And that's who you want to cater to. You know, God bless you, you, you do that. Right? Because there are parties and there are things that are available for that are single guy focus. [00:45:58] Speaker C: Like splash, like the smashmoke parties, like. [00:46:01] Speaker B: The Houston swinger parties that we go to that were, that are hosted by Rob Lifestyle. [00:46:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Right. [00:46:08] Speaker C: More hot wife type type. [00:46:09] Speaker B: More hot wife. Yeah, more hot wife scenario. You know, there are the, the hot wives of Las Vegas that are thrown by our friends Brian and Brenna. Front Porch Swingers, Hot wife Palooza in Arizona. They, there's events like that. Right. [00:46:25] Speaker C: But funny enough, it just, it occurred to me that it, that there are, when we go to those hot wife things, which is basically there's a ton of single guys, a lot of the times they're black guys and it's mostly for the hot wives. The husbands are going knowing that they're not going to play because that's what their thing is. They want to watch their wives get fucked. Well, there still are some husbands that get just as much play as the single guys because they take care of themselves. [00:46:56] Speaker B: True. [00:46:56] Speaker C: And that's, that's a very good example of what like just, just you know, take care of it and you don't. Again, you don't have to have six pack abs, but working out and taking care of yourself makes you walk around differently, you carry yourself differently, your mentality is different, everything about you is different. So don't think that it's all physical based because it's a lot about confidence too. [00:47:24] Speaker B: It is, it is, it is. You know, it is a confidence booster. And let's just be real, you know, taking the PC, the politically political correctness out of it, the first thing that a person sees when we're swinging and in the lifestyle is what you look like, what you smell like and you know. Yeah, I'm sure that you have a great personality. I'm sure that your mother absolutely loves your personality. You're a great guy. But guess what? You people, people don't see that. [00:47:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Initially when they see you, they don't see your sense of humor. [00:48:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:00] Speaker B: You know, so like. Yeah, your great personality, your swagger, your per. Humor, your sense of humor and you know, whatever game you talk or whatever. Yeah. People will see that, but the first thing they see is how you look. [00:48:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:15] Speaker B: You know, so they, it's more attention to how you look. You know, if you want more play, you know, that's. And I hate saying it like that, but that's just the, that's just the truth about it. [00:48:28] Speaker C: Well, and I was thinking, I'm like, okay, I can I. There are plenty of guys that would not pass as conventionally attractive, but they get plenty, plenty of. Because one, they have confidence and two, they make the effort. The effort is way more very, very important. Like we just want to see you just put the effort in and that, that goes a long way. [00:48:58] Speaker B: A for effort, baby. [00:48:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Or in this circumstance, it's going to be a P for effort. [00:49:04] Speaker C: Pussy. Yeah. Pussy effort. [00:49:07] Speaker B: Pussy effort. So do you have anything else to say about this? [00:49:12] Speaker C: I don't think so. I feel like. I feel like my soapbox is. Is over. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:18] Speaker C: I feel. [00:49:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I feel you fell off yourself. [00:49:20] Speaker C: Man. I was pissed. [00:49:21] Speaker B: I was pissed she was going on one. I was trying to calm her down. [00:49:23] Speaker C: I know. [00:49:24] Speaker B: I was gonna stick my dick in them to like calm her down. [00:49:27] Speaker C: That usually does quiet me. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it kind of does, you know. P for effort, baby. So what do you guys and ladies listen. Listening to this? Think about the subject the matter. Right. We would love to hear from you. If you have a response, send it to bullsandqueens Gmail.com. that's bullsandqueens Gmail.com and we may read your question out on the air on a future episode. We'd love to hear from you. So until the next episode. So Bulls and Queens nation, y' all stay blessed, you guys. Keep it real. Take care of yourselves, your bodies, your minds, your hearts, your souls, your spirits and all that good stuff. So this is Doc Chocolate and Fun Charlie and we will see you on the next episode. Bye bye. [00:50:20] Speaker A: Thank you for listening to everybody's favorite black man candy, Doc Chocolate of the Bulls and Queens podcast. 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